Third party ticket sites and City (dodgy site ticket claims - p32)

[Norbert D]

I didn’t say that all 18-25 tickets had been verified as used by a genuine qualifying supporter. That would be impossible. I said there was zero evidence that any hadn’t.

Not sure what you class as hard evidence but for anybody doing even the most basic digging, there is plenty of evidence of third parties selling on tickets that come direct from the club.

I’ll even save you the trouble and show one example.

Official MCFC website - Sportworld website- tickets on the third tier of the East Stand for approx £180.

I have been to most home games this seasons but don’t have a ticket for West Ham. General admission tickets included in packages from £300. No thanks.

 

[Haaland94]

The club is happy to have empty seats as long as they sell 80-90% of those 3rd party tickets at 200-300 quid. It's still more money than selling 100% of tickets at normal prices.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Is the season ticket waiting list still a thing? I remember them making a big song and dance about it around 10 years ago but haven't really heard anything about it since.

I imagine the club would get rid of season tickets altogether if they could.

I understand new Seasoncards haven’t gone on sale for several years so that surely means there’s no waiting list.

 

[jrb]

I understand new Seasoncards haven’t gone on sale for several years so that surely means there’s no waiting list.

No, there is a season ticket waiting list to see the treble winners and the best team in the world, but the club have decided to stop selling season tickets and instead turn any lapsed season tickets into match day tickets. Their reasoning, to increase match day revenue, and to hell with the season ticket waiting list, and to the fans who have been waiting patiently for a chance to buy a season ticket for years.

 

[Edghill OG]

The club is happy to have empty seats as long as they sell 80-90% of those 3rd party tickets at 200-300 quid. It's still more money than selling 100% of tickets at normal prices.

Unfortunately that is the bottom line. Although at treble or more of the price of GA tickets they don't even need to achieve anywhere near 80%.

They aren't concerned about working classes getting phased out or helping with the 'Emptyhad' jibes. Last year was embarrassing when the Liverpool game had been sold out all season only to release a load the day before the game. Clearly holding them back and wanting to badge them up as 'hospitality' only for Liverpool to be abysmal and not even qualify for the Champions League and therefore the 'premium' demand not being there.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

No, there is a season ticket waiting list to see the treble winners and the best team in the world, but the club have decided to stop selling season tickets and instead turn any lapsed season tickets into match day tickets. Their reasoning, to increase match day revenue, and to hell with the season ticket waiting list, and to the fans who have been waiting patiently for a chance to buy a season ticket for years.

Why am I not surprised?! Thanks for clarifying.

 

[bluesmith]

No, there is a season ticket waiting list to see the treble winners and the best team in the world, but the club have decided to stop selling season tickets and instead turn any lapsed season tickets into match day tickets. Their reasoning, to increase match day revenue, and to hell with the season ticket waiting list, and to the fans who have been waiting patiently for a chance to buy a season ticket for years.

There isn't a waiting list, there are just many thousands of Cityzens desperate for the chance to get a season ticket.

 

[SB Blue]

No evidence ??? If Livetickets were selling tickets in the volume they do which some on here think they have bought illegally from supporters - they would be shut down tomorrow morning.

The money laundering charges alone would relate to multi millions over the number of years they have operated and the volume they sell.

Aren’t Livetickets one of the online marketplaces? They don’t sell tickets, they just act as an intermediary between buyers and sellers and charge a fee for acting as the agent:

Are tickets guaranteed? LiveFootballTickets.com works with a small network of ticket specialists to ensure reliable service. LiveFootballTickets.com provides a secure online marketplace only and is not the seller of, and does not take responsibility for, any tickets sold through the online marketplace.

Any ticket sold via this route is against the T&C’s I guess although quite simple for home games. I don’t know what the source of the tickets is although my guess would be it’s a mixture.

 

[jrb]

There isn't a waiting list, there are just many thousands of Cityzens desperate for the chance to get a season ticket.

No, there is a waiting list, be it an official waiting list that we don’t 100% know about, as with everything at City it’s a secret, and the club will never confirm it exists. If there isn’t an official waiting list, the club know 1000’s of City fans would buy a season ticket if they were made available by the club. Whether official or unofficial, the club know they can sell as many season tickets as they want, but they have decided not to sell any lapsed, returned, ‘which I know about’, or new season tickets to the fans. It’s strange isn’t. All the big PL clubs have a season ticket waiting list, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, etc, but City don’t? Hmmm.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Aren’t Livetickets one of the online marketplaces? They don’t sell tickets, they just act as an intermediary between buyers and sellers and charge a fee for acting as the agent:

Are tickets guaranteed? LiveFootballTickets.com works with a small network of ticket specialists to ensure reliable service. LiveFootballTickets.com provides a secure online marketplace only and is not the seller of, and does not take responsibility for, any tickets sold through the online marketplace.

Any ticket sold via this route is against the T&C’s I guess although quite simple for home games. I don’t know what the source of the tickets is although my guess would be it’s a mixture.

That’s statement is just protection for clubs. It’s all bullshit.

They can’t act as an intermediary - the law states its illegal for any unauthorised person to sell a ticket for a designated football match.

If Livetickets were selling any tickets for any PL game unauthorised they would have their doors kicked in tomorrow and arrears made.

There is no point crying about it - every club is at it.

Any shining white knight PL club would knock millions off their Matchday turnover if they wanted to be the morally correct club

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I had this conversation with the club early on in City Matters. They openly sell tickets to various official partner agencies for home games. However there were agencies who weren't official partners openly offering packages and I pointed this out to them.

I have severe doubts that the club is directly involved in supplying third-party sites with away tickets on a large scale, as these sites mostly operate on the wrong side of the law. But if they are supplying any of these sites, then it has to be out of their 5% ticket allocation, rather than the season ticket holders'.

It's far more likely that these sites have access to tickets via hospitality season ticket holders or those with high points. I've heard anecdotal evidence of people paying for their hospitality season tickets via this sort of activity.

Hopefully the Ticketing Compliance Manager will be able to make some inroads into this. Just buy a couple of tickets and see where they came from.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If Livetickets were selling any tickets for any PL game unauthorised they would have their doors kicked in tomorrow and arrears made.

That's complete nonsense. These sites have their base outside the UK. They can't be touched.

 

[bluesmith]

No, there is a waiting list, be it an official waiting list that we don’t 100% know about, as with everything at City it’s a secret, and the club will never confirm it exists. If there isn’t an official waiting list, the club know 1000’s of City fans would buy a season ticket if they were made available by the club. Whether official or unofficial, the club know they can sell as many season tickets as they want, but they have decided not to sell any lapsed, returned, ‘which I know about’, or new season tickets to the fans. It’s strange isn’t. All the big PL clubs have a season ticket waiting list, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, etc, but City don’t? Hmmm.

For there to be a waiting list you have to be able to join it, we can't so there isn't a waiting list. Describing everyone who is a Cityzen as being on a waiting list (as supposedly City have) is disingenuous as thet have no idea how many actually want a season ticket.

We had a waiting list it was £100 to join and you were assigned a number / place. That was abolished and everyone who was still on it was refunded.

The club know an official waiting list doesn't matter to them as they can easily sell all the season ticket they can put on sale

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

No, there is a season ticket waiting list to see the treble winners and the best team in the world, but the club have decided to stop selling season tickets and instead turn any lapsed season tickets into match day tickets. Their reasoning, to increase match day revenue, and to hell with the season ticket waiting list, and to the fans who have been waiting patiently for a chance to buy a season ticket for years.

There is no waiting list. Period.

It's not possible to have a sensible debate on this subject when people talk complete tin-foil hat conspiracy bullshit.

 

[Ashton Moss Messi]

I had this conversation with the club early on in City Matters. They openly sell tickets to various official partner agencies for home games. However there were agencies who weren't official partners openly offering packages and I pointed this out to them.

I have severe doubts that the club is directly involved in supplying third-party sites with away tickets on a large scale, as these sites mostly operate on the wrong side of the law. But if they are supplying any of these sites, then it has to be out of their 5% ticket allocation, rather than the season ticket holders'.

It's far more likely that these sites have access to tickets via hospitality season ticket holders or those with high points. I've heard anecdotal evidence of people paying for their hospitality season tickets via this sort of activity.

Hopefully the Ticketing Compliance Manager will be able to make some inroads into this. Just buy a couple of tickets and see where they came from.

Players staff and sponsors don't often get mentioned as sources of these tickets. Investigation throwing these into the mix wouldn't go down well.

 

[jrb]

For there to be a waiting list you have to be able to join it, we can't so there isn't a waiting list. Describing everyone who is a Cityzen as being on a waiting list (as supposedly City have) is disingenuous as thet have no idea how many actually want a season ticket.

We had a waiting list it was £100 to join and you were assigned a number / place. That was abolished and everyone who was still on it was refunded.

The club know an official waiting list doesn't matter to them as they can easily sell all the season ticket they can put on sale

So there is a season ticket waiting list via the Citizens membership, regardless of how many people would take up the opportunity to buy a season ticket or not. My guess would be 1000’s of people who have a Citizens membership would buy a season ticket, given the chance. But not everyone as you say. The issue isn’t if a season ticket waiting list officially exists or not, even via a Citizens membership, the issue is the club isn’t making season tickets available on ‘purpose’, which doesn’t bode well for the new North stand, unless the club do a complete 360 and make season tickets available as a percentage of the 8000 additional seats. Then there is the price of the season tickets across NSL2 from the front, to the back, to the sides. I dread to think what seat prices the club are coming up with for the new NSL2. We can forget affordable home end tickets.

 

[bluesmith]

I had this conversation with the club early on in City Matters. They openly sell tickets to various official partner agencies for home games. However there were agencies who weren't official partners openly offering packages and I pointed this out to them.

I have severe doubts that the club is directly involved in supplying third-party sites with away tickets on a large scale, as these sites mostly operate on the wrong side of the law. But if they are supplying any of these sites, then it has to be out of their 5% ticket allocation, rather than the season ticket holders'.

It's far more likely that these sites have access to tickets via hospitality season ticket holders or those with high points. I've heard anecdotal evidence of people paying for their hospitality season tickets via this sort of activity.

Hopefully the Ticketing Compliance Manager will be able to make some inroads into this. Just buy a couple of tickets and see where they came from.

We regularly see 40% go on sale to points rather than the supposed 60% that should, the differences seems the obvious starting point to me.

Do you think the club would look into where a ticket came from if City Matters gave them the details of a ticket bought from say live football tickets? And do you think they would tell City Matters the outcome?

The long and short of it is that these sites should have no tickets for any games and they should be going to the fans directly.

 

[bluesmith]

So there is a season ticket waiting list via the Citizens membership, regardless of how many people would take up the opportunity to buy a season ticket or not. My guess would be 1000’s of people would buy a season ticket. Not everyone as you say. The issue isn’t if a season ticket waiting list officially exists or not, even via a Citizens membership, the issue is the club aren’t making season tickets available on ‘purpose’, which doesn’t bode well for the new North stand, unless the club do a complete 360 and make season tickets available as a percentage of the 8000 additional seats. Then there is the price of the season tickets across NSL2, from the front, to the back, to the sides.

That's not a waiting list though is it? That's a list of people who might buy a season ticket or might not buy a season ticket. That covers literally everyone.

 

[jrb]

There is no waiting list. Period.

It's not possible to have a sensible debate on this subject when people talk complete tin-foil hat conspiracy bullshit.

That’s fair enough. Even if there are fans who want season tickets and are Citizen members. There’s no need to see your arse PB. :-)

 

[jrb]

That's not a waiting list though is it? That's a list of people who might buy a season ticket or might not buy a season ticket. That covers literally everyone.

No, there is a list of people who will buy a season ticket, given the opportunity. A very long list. We all know that. But as you say, and PB has nicely pointed out ;-), there isn’t an actual named waiting season ticket list. Or a list where said person would be first in the queue for a season ticket.