This could be one of the truest Articles of the season......

GaudinoMotors said:
blueinsa said:
Baconface has proved himself, Hughes has not!

Until he has i would suggest he stops blaming all and sundry and gets on with doing the job and proving his worth, then and only then can he act like baconface!
How long would have given him?

Hughes is over 300 games in now as a professional manager, he is no novice at this! He should have gone when we got took over as the job he was brought here to do under Thaksin was not the job required by our new owners.

But he didnt go, he got his money, he got his team and he has had 18 months. I see no improvement in performances, in fact i see us going backwards. I see a team lacking in direction and motivation and one that lacks leadership both on and off the pitch.

His time is up imo, but my opinion is just that, the matter lies with the Sheikh!
 
EddH said:
It is full of painful truthes, and non rational thinking, all this from the M.E.N. ???

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ty/s/1184518_snipers_are_quick_on_the_trigger
MARK Hughes is rapidly discovering the madness of life at the sharp end of the Premier League.

He must be the first City manager in history to reach December with one defeat in all competitions - and still be backed for the sack in some quarters!

In fact, Hughes is the ONLY manager in City's history to reach December with one defeat, even if that impressive statistic has been buried beneath the avalanche of frustration brought on by seven successive draws.

It is with some irony that Arsenal and Chelsea should be the next two visitors to Eastlands, for games which some snipers would have you believe are make-or-break for the Blues boss.

Arsene Wenger's bright young things are being trumpeted as evidence of the purity of the Gunners' ethos, a tribute to their dedication to youth.

And yet a quick glance at the weekend starting line-ups reveals that in the team destroyed by Chelsea on Sunday, Arsenal did not have one player who had joined them before his 16th birthday. City had three in their XI against Hull.

That kind of bare stat did not stop Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis making an abortive ascent of the moral high ground, taking pot-shots at the new money of City and Chelsea along the way.

"We believe that success which is built is more significant, more meaningful and ultimately, more important than success which is bought," said the Gunners supremo.

If they had had any money left after buying a spanking new stadium, presumably Arsenal would have given it to the poor and needy, otherwise known as Liverpool.

We are being told by the high and mighty at certain Sunday newspapers that, if City don't dismiss Arsenal and then achieve a good result against Chelsea, Hughes' job is on the line.

Wenger saw his team dismantled by Chelsea on Sunday. And yet the prospect of them also losing to City tomorrow night does not provoke any kind of howls for the studious Frenchman to be tipped from his seat.

Even though the fragile Gunners have also been turned over by United, City and Sunderland this season.

Yet Hughes' side, being dismissed as under-achievers in some quarters, are just three points behind them, having already beaten them, and beaten them well.

That brings us to Chelsea, who skipper John Terry says feel "unbeatable." Any City fan in possession of an anorak could point out that the "unbeatables" have lost precisely twice as many games as the Blues this season.

To describe Hughes' fate as hinging on a clash with Chelsea - possibly the best all-round team on the planet right now - is ludicrous.

This is a team who have already beaten Arsenal, Liverpool and United, three clubs which have the benefit of several years of the experience which survival at the top of the Premier League brings, and of the cash which the Champions League brings.

The task facing Hughes and City this season is not to be wiping the floor with Chelsea, but to scramble and fight their way into a position from which they truly can compete with the top teams

If Hughes can finish fourth this season, he should be Manager of the Year by a country mile. But look at the £200m he has spent, comes the cry.

Money alone solves nothing. If you splash out on an old ramshackle farmhouse, it still takes time, patience and prolonged attention to detail, as well as hard cash, before it becomes a home.

And when you buy that farmhouse, you don't have the problem that the best fixtures and fittings are unavailable because they prefer the swanky mansions, just down the road.

To expect Hughes to storm the Premier League top four, armed only with wads of dough, is preposterous.

The City manager has spent well, but the top, top players who win you a Champions League place and then keep it, have still eluded the Blues.

It is a vicious circle. Until you are in the Champions League, you cannot hope to attract the Kakas, the John Terrys, the Steven Gerrards, the Xabi Alonsos.

People have made the mistake this season of treating City as a peer of United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal, by dint of wealth alone.

That mistake was intensified by the Blues' good start to the season, when Blackburn, Wolves, Portsmouth and Arsenal were all beaten, and the expectation hit volcanic levels.

City have attracted very good players, but the lack of Champions League football has meant they have been unable to lure the best, even though the knowledge of their wealth and ambition has meant they have paid top dollar for the players they have bought.

It should be noted that Wayne Bridge and Shaun Wright-Phillips - two excellent players and England internationals - are at City because they were surplus to requirements at Chelsea.

Joleon Lescott could yet prove Hughes right when he said the £24m buy could become the best defender in the Premier League. Yet, at the moment, he is not a Terry, or a Nemanja Vidic.

Similarly, for all their talents and potential, Emmanuel Adebayor is not Didier Drogba, Carlos Tevez is not Wayne Rooney, and Stevie Ireland is not Frank Lampard.

Claiming that fourth spot, and/or reaching a domestic cup final would be a major achievement for Hughes, and give the club a real foundation, rather than one based on the size of their bank balance.

Now is not the time for moaning and groaning. These are two big games for the Blues, and both Hughes and his players need and deserve the support of the fans.

It is a time for calm heads and clear vision, and a sight of the bigger picture, both on and off the field.

Is common sense allowed on here?
 
Bollocks. Has this guy been to a game? Has he seen the style of play under Hughes? Seen good players go backwards - Ireland shadow of last year, Lescott confidence shot to shit. You get fuck all settling for things and win fuck all drawing football matches. He has Robinho and Adebayor and we are struggling to score. West ham have Cole and put five past Burnley who came to Eastlands played one up front with ANDRE BIKEY in CM and they out fought us and scored 3.
 
blueinsa said:
GaudinoMotors said:
How long would have given him?

Hughes is over 300 games in now as a professional manager, he is no novice at this! He should have gone when we got took over as the job he was brought here to do under Thaksin was not the job required by our new owners.

But he didnt go, he got his money, he got his team and he has had 18 months. I see no improvement in performances, in fact i see us going backwards. I see a team lacking in direction and motivation and one that lacks leadership both on and off the pitch.

His time is up imo, but my opinion is just that, the matter lies with the Sheikh!
Agreed
Of course the matter lies with the Sheikh
We differ i feel as to the when we are judging Hughes by.
You are factually correct - I concede - in choosing to Judge him on last season too. However - due to him only having one window (January) last season with the new money, due to unrest with Elano etc , and due to this seasons squad being the new start, full of new faces I`m choosing to judge him on that - all I`m saying is after 13 games I can't get a true picture and want to see him have more time.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
blueinsa said:
Hughes is over 300 games in now as a professional manager, he is no novice at this! He should have gone when we got took over as the job he was brought here to do under Thaksin was not the job required by our new owners.

But he didnt go, he got his money, he got his team and he has had 18 months. I see no improvement in performances, in fact i see us going backwards. I see a team lacking in direction and motivation and one that lacks leadership both on and off the pitch.

His time is up imo, but my opinion is just that, the matter lies with the Sheikh!
Agreed
Of course the matter lies with the Sheikh
We differ i feel as to the when we are judging Hughes by.
You are factually correct - I concede - in choosing to Judge him on last season too. However - due to him only having one window (January) last season with the new money, due to unrest with Elano etc , and due to this seasons squad being the new start, full of new faces I`m choosing to judge him on that - all I`m saying is after 13 games I can't get a true picture and want to see him have more time.

In all honesty mate, despite the talk of Mourinho or Hiddink, i think it is just that, talk and that Hughes will get this full season before any move is made as to his future.

Like ive said, he still has time to turn it around, he has the players of that ive no doubt, it is now his turn to put the performances in, his turn to accept the responsibilty of getting the quality players we have playing as a team and his responsibilty to get us winning football games.

If he does that, if we put performances in, if we see motivation and leadership from him then i dont have a problem with him staying for the next 10 years or more, but it is up to him to show us he is the man and if we have another failed season, his time will be up and he will only be able to blame himself. It wont be the fault of us unpatient fans i can tell you.
 
blueinsa said:
GaudinoMotors said:
Agreed
Of course the matter lies with the Sheikh
We differ i feel as to the when we are judging Hughes by.
You are factually correct - I concede - in choosing to Judge him on last season too. However - due to him only having one window (January) last season with the new money, due to unrest with Elano etc , and due to this seasons squad being the new start, full of new faces I`m choosing to judge him on that - all I`m saying is after 13 games I can't get a true picture and want to see him have more time.

In all honesty mate, despite the talk of Mourinho or Hiddink, i think it is just that, talk and that Hughes will get this full season before any move is made as to his future.

Like ive said, he still has time to turn it around, he has the players of that ive no doubt, it is now his turn to put the performances in, his turn to accept the responsibilty of getting the quality players we have playing as a team and his responsibilty to get us winning football games.

If he does that, if we put performances in, if we see motivation and leadership from him then i dont have a problem with him staying for the next 10 years or more, but it is up to him to show us he is the man and if we have another failed season, his time will be up and he will only be able to blame himself. It wont be the fault of us unpatient fans i can tell you.
total agreement - let's hope he does as we want
 
All the people who say only lost one game all season, yes we have but i look on it as only winning 5 out of 13 games and lets be honest, none of them have been great performances, ie lucky Nugent missed a sitter at Portsmouth, had help from the Woodwork at home to Woves, scored with our 2 shots at Blackburn when Shey kept us in the game.

As for the qaurter finals tonight, lets be honest, we have beaten 2 championship and 1 reserve team to be here. Sure in years gone by, we probably would have lost to one of these, but after spending 200 million, we should no longer be on a yearly basis.

I love the way Highes conducts himself in interviews and i think mostly he has bought very well but i just dont see any improvements from the training ground to match day. We look a very poor "team", have no fluidity in our play, give the opposition all the time in the world to play thier game whislt constantly looking under pressure when we have the ball. And it just doesnt seem to be improving and the sheer lack of efforts on goal we have game to game is awful for the players we have in the team.

There is no point sacking him if no one is available to take over but i just dont have confidence in him to turn it round. perhaps its our coaching staff who arnt upto scrath at this level. Who knows, but something is not right.
 
Can we stop blaming Elano for last season's failures. He hardly played after January and when he did he played pretty well. So what if he was a bad influence. Every dressing room has disgruntled players.

Hughes has had 3 windows. He brought in Zab, Vincent, Shaun, Robinho and TBH and had Jo foisted on him. Since then he has been on two major spending sprees the likes of Hull and Burnley can only dream of.

All of these players are top four quality despite what the MUEN might be suggesting.

Hughes is not and never will be what we need.
 

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