This guy determined we will fail FFPR

[gooner2]

Yes we've heard you.

Please stop posting the same point over and over again, the constant repetition is extremely irritating.

How is that repeating myself. I was responding to posters point. So don,t go down that route mate.

who the fucking hell are you

Once again no need to be rude. I am a poster posting my views on here. I am trying to be civil mate.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Ed and Gooner2 in the same fucking post?

The mind boggles.

 

[samharris]

I dont know anything about FFPR so hence I keep quiet about it..ffplay doesnt know owt about it either yet lets the world know..

theres an oops there somewhere;)

I do and it just uefa trying to be stupid and stop clubs spending money. Its should be none of their buisness how much club spend.

Sorry gooner2...













but,

 

[gooner2]

Ed and Gooner2 in the same fucking post?

The mind boggles.

Very funny.<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:54 pm --<br /><br />

I dont know anything about FFPR so hence I keep quiet about it..ffplay doesnt know owt about it either yet lets the world know..

theres an oops there somewhere;)

I do and it just uefa trying to be stupid and stop clubs spending money. Its should be none of their buisness how much club spend.

Sorry gooner2...

fair play. you were quite funny their












but,

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

End of the day it's our money and we should spend what we want. Anyone agree??

 

[gooner2]

End of the day it's our money and we should spend what we want. Anyone agree??

All if uefa are going to get involved in that then maybe they need to look at how much money they spend on corparate events and all those executives who don,t seem to do a lot on their fat arses.

 

[laserblue]

End of the day it's our money and we should spend what we want. Anyone agree??

All if uefa are going to get involved in that then maybe they need to look at how much money they spend on corparate events and all those executives who don,t seem to do a lot on their fat arses.

By George I think he's got it.

 

[gooner2]

End of the day it's our money and we should spend what we want. Anyone agree??

All if uefa are going to get involved in that then maybe they need to look at how much money they spend on corparate events and all those executives who don,t seem to do a lot on their fat arses.

By George I think he's got it.

I do and having watched football for 23 years helps in that. Uefa and fifa run by idiots in my view have no clue about football.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

All if uefa are going to get involved in that then maybe they need to look at how much money they spend on corparate events and all those executives who don,t seem to do a lot on their fat arses.

By George I think he's got it.

I do and having watched football for 23 years helps in that. Uefa and fifa run by CORRUPT idiots in my view have no clue about football.

i though it needed editing

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

I'm sure someone mentioned it earlier in the thread. Name's on the tip of my tongue. I'll get back to you when I remember it.

I think most smart people will see that uefa are getting involved in something that has nothing to do with them. It like goverment telling private commerical buisness they can,t spend too much money. Their be laughed out of the buliding if they tried that in other sectors.

The government will not stop companies spending their own money on investing in their business but they will intervene if businesses do things that are anti-competitive.

Not totally convinced with that. It's true that supermarkets as an example will be limited in their applications to expand their businesses in certain areas, but unless their applications are opposed by other supermarkets, their plans will get the go-ahead on the basis they will bring jobs to an area. Unfortunately, smaller businesses in the locality will have their own objections brushed aside. Life isn't fair, never has been and never will be, and this will spread to the world of football. If City are the new power in the game, then the smaller clubs will be pushed aside in the same manner as the smaller business examples that I have illustrated.

I make no observation as to the moral argument here, only the practical one. It would be highly unlikely that UEFA could impose sanctions on City or any other club for carrying out what is normal business practice, and it wouldn't be in the interests of UEFA to act in a way that is contrary to accepted business practices that are normal throughout the EU.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I think the whole point of this FFPR stuff is ultimately to make the gap between the haves and have nots bigger so in the near future the big clubs can fuck off and form a super league across Europe as they'll say that there is no competition in national leagues. Its starting to happen now...Big wins....some clubs putting out weak sides.

The only problem for the big 12 or 14 is that we got in before they got the door shut.

I'm not in favour of anything I've put in this post but I fear it's the way its going.

 

[pirate]

I think the whole point of this FFPR stuff is ultimately to make the gap between the haves and have nots bigger so in the near future the big clubs can fuck off and form a super league across Europe as they'll say that there is no competition in national leagues. Its starting to happen now...Big wins....some clubs putting out weak sides.

The only problem for the big 12 or 14 is that we got in before they got the door shut.

I'm not in favour of anything I've put in this post but I fear it's the way its going.

your fear is justified, it is the way its going . i am glad we sneaked in under the wire but its still wrong

 

[Balti]

yeah looks like we finally saw the writing on the wall and found the right owners just in time to join in with the rest who'd already been at it for decades

who'd have thunk it lol

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

It's most regrettable that you don't feel up to the task of engaging with me on this matter, Ed. I would have thought that a leading expert on the subject of FFP would be able to cast some light on their expectations of the medium term direction of a leading football club, in light of those new rules of the game of which you are a self-proclaimed luminary.

That said, it's never a bad thing to recognise your limits in life and hopefully that ethos will now also extend into your blog on an ongoing basis.

That power nap has certainly done you the world of good, GDM. You're turning into Clint Eastwood.

 

[Centurions]

End of the day it's our money and we should spend what we want. Anyone agree??

Yep, pretty sure that's the general consensus.

"A club should be allowed to spend whatever it wants."



Except Ed and possibly Gooner2 might disagree, I'm not too sure on their stance on this subject.

 

[aguero93:20]

End of the day it's our money and we should spend what we want. Anyone agree??

as much as I sympathise with that view, there is a need to have some kind of ffpr to prevent any more portsmouths etc. it used to be funny:"distin, distin what's the score?"

-- Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:56 pm --

Does anyone think a club should be able to spend whatever they want and that it has nothing to do with UEFA?

I'm sure someone mentioned it earlier in the thread. Name's on the tip of my tongue. I'll get back to you when I remember it.

Bastard nicking my point! It's about the only contribution I've made to this thread too. I tend to back away when the grown ups are talking.

ah but we always appreciate your contributions, I do anyway!<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:58 pm --<br /><br />

Not that the outcome was unexpected, but the thorough nature with which ffplay has been dispatched by PB, aguero93:20 et al is quite remarkable.

Really though this discussion needed a real time chair, with both parties able to address individual points in real time. There's probably still a few good questions that have gone unaddressed. It's very easy to ignore a few points and make posts relating specifically to the segments you can answer. We need a Bluemoon question time! Perhaps if Ed is so confident in his position he would kindly agree to a web debate? I'm sure PB and Co are game.

I'm game

 

[aguero93:20]

Ed - from your blog.

The 2011/12 accounts tell us that City were paid £12.8m by the club owners for Intellectual Property and Know How - the club have not disclosed what this 'Related Party Transaction' relates to. However, I am advised by an excellent source that this item probably wouldn't withstand a firm challenge. We can therefore expect UEFA's CFCB to apply a fair value adjustment (potentially halving the value of the item).

Again, you make speculative statements with caveats that seriously limit their validity. Where did you get this 'potential' figure of the club's RPT declaration being halved? Who is this 'excellent source'? If you can't name him at least let us know what his qualification is that allows him to make such an assessment. You also still seem not to accept that, as a declared RPT in line with the requirements of both IAS24 and UEFA's own identical financial reporting conditions, this matter is officially and legally closed.

Although UEFA has published 9 punishments for clubs that fail the FFP test, it has not published a tariff to explain how the punishments will be applied. UEFA has intimated that clubs that exceed the threshold by more than 20% will face the more severe sanctions. City may well end up 100%+ over the limit (putting them in real risk of exclusion or points deduction from the Group Stage of the 2014/15 Champions League). Assuming City fail, they will find out their punishment at the end of April/start of May 2014.

So your blog suggests City will face exclusion from or points deduction in next season's CL group stage but your earlier post on BM takes a far softer line.

As losses are trending in the right direction they can expect more leniency than if the trend was negative.

As your comment on BM was posted only 3 days after your blog do you accept that the comment in your blog was unnecessarily sensationalist and without foundation and that you therefore retract it? If so, will you be amending your blog accordingly?

One other point Ed. I understand you work as a project manager at HSBC. Do they approve of you regularly spending chunks of your working day discussing FFPR on Twitter seeing as it doesn't have any relevance to your job?

If he's gone it's a pity because he's managed to swerve all the questions I raised in my above post earlier today.

and (pretty much) all of mine, I'm quite upset.
although this sanctimonious blogger has been irritating me for quite a while and I enjoyed today, but p.b. was brilliant, kudos.

 

[George Hannah]

Don't forget we're still paying Adebayor £40K a week and who knows what the rest of our former heroes continue to cost us!
I hope you've factored those boys in PB.

 

[aguero93:20]

Don't forget we're still paying Adebayor £40K a week and who knows what the rest of our former heroes continue to cost us!
I hope you've factored those boys in PB.

one off pay-offs, see some posts earlier in the thread, allowable expenses in years prior to ffp and owner carried out write-offs in years that where.
I hope you can see them anyway, some people can't, specsaver's sales department need an arse kicking if you ask me...

 

[OB1]

I think most smart people will see that uefa are getting involved in something that has nothing to do with them. It like goverment telling private commerical buisness they can,t spend too much money. Their be laughed out of the buliding if they tried that in other sectors.

The government will not stop companies spending their own money on investing in their business but they will intervene if businesses do things that are anti-competitive.

Not totally convinced with that. It's true that supermarkets as an example will be limited in their applications to expand their businesses in certain areas, but unless their applications are opposed by other supermarkets, their plans will get the go-ahead on the basis they will bring jobs to an area. Unfortunately, smaller businesses in the locality will have their own objections brushed aside. Life isn't fair, never has been and never will be, and this will spread to the world of football. If City are the new power in the game, then the smaller clubs will be pushed aside in the same manner as the smaller business examples that I have illustrated.

I make no observation as to the moral argument here, only the practical one. It would be highly unlikely that UEFA could impose sanctions on City or any other club for carrying out what is normal business practice, and it wouldn't be in the interests of UEFA to act in a way that is contrary to accepted business practices that are normal throughout the EU.

Not totally convinced! We have competition laws in the UK and bodies like t he OFT and Competition Commission. My point was a broad one that goverments do not just let businesses do what they want and will legislate. Therefore, it is not anamalous for the governing body of a sport to have rules regarding competition. The rules may be different in how they go about achieving the desired end result.