Three young CB's with potential.

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We seem to have three young CB's all with potential. Garcia, Harwood Bellis, Adarabioyo.
I think most of us believe we need to invest in a new partner for Laporte. Hopefully a top top CB.
Of the three youngsters though, do you think any will be good enough? I haven't seen enough of the three - what are their relative strengths?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
We seem to have three young CB's all with potential. Garcia, Harwood Bellis, Adarabioyo.
I think most of us believe we need to invest in a new partner for Laporte. Hopefully a top top CB.
Of the three youngsters though, do you think any will be good enough? I haven't seen enough of the three - what are their relative strengths?
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Id like to see THB get a run of games in the prem now (or at least off the bench) - with the league finished and champs league qualification all but assured I would ahve thought its the ideal tie to get him some experience.

the same goes for Braff -

these two players could save us a lot of money in the long run so we need to find out.
 
Garcia looks a special talent and needs to be managed like Phil. There’s no doubt in my mind that within 2/3 seasons Garcia will be good enough to demand a regular spot in the first team.

That then means we need another 3 cbs. Laporte + a first team signing. Then for me the question is whether Tosin is good enough to be third choice. If not then keep Stones.
 
Thought Garcia looked nervous at times last night, probably his toughest test, but he came through okay. Gave away the ball a couple of times badly but he'll make it at the top I think. Difficult to say if it's with us or not because it's the one position (plus goalie) where you can't really give players too much time to learn, but really hope so. I reckon you need thick skin to quickly get over any major mishaps as a CB, because once you have a reputation for errors it's difficult to shake. Ota has this but he's not been too bad recently from memory.
 
I'd like to see if Tosin with that extra experience can bring his Blackburn form back with him.

Think Garcia is the long-term project, THB is a bit raw and needs a bit more work before he's ready to step up, maybe someone like Blackburn could take him next year.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Thought Garcia looked nervous at times last night, probably his toughest test, but he came through okay. Gave away the ball a couple of times badly but he'll make it at the top I think. Difficult to say if it's with us or not because it's the one position (plus goalie) where you can't really give players too much time to learn, but really hope so. I reckon you need thick skin to quickly get over any major mishaps as a CB, because once you have a reputation for errors it's difficult to shake. Ota has this but he's not been too bad recently from memory.
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Agreed on Garcia looking nervous, his toughest test indeed. I think he has the potential and quality to partner Laporte and now in the league is an ideal opportunity for him to start games.
Talk of koulibaly being the ready made replacement to fill kompany's boots. He looks a solid CB very high on quality who will most probably suit our style of play. On saying that though he's a player who has 4-5 years left at the top if he stays injury free. No saying he'd make it in the premier league as many stars in other leagues have failed. Plus he'd cost a fortune and I'd rather see the money put towards an Aguero replacement.

Otamendi will soon leave, Stones is regressing so badly he looks shot so Garcia looks best placed to step up and partner Laporte. I'd like to see Fernandinho back playing as an holding midfielder shielding the back line. I think we've missed Fern badly at times this season as a DM.

So I'd stick with youth and have Laporte mentoring Garcia with T-HB and Adarabioyo as back up.

We have some excellent young players and Tommy Doyle is another one who can't be too far away from showing what he can do in the first team. He'll probably get more game time as back up to Rodri when Fernandinho leaves.
 
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I don’t see ferna leaving, I think he will take a coaching role with us which will be great for the like of Doyle as they come through.
 
The only thing I worry about García is that he’s neither tall nor has a big jump to make up for that, and he is a bit slow.

Saying that, Franco Baresi was only 5’9” and wasn’t quick, so those things aren’t everything.

García looks technically very good positionally, with the way he defends by staying on his feet, and with the ball.

I’ve not seen enough of Harwood-Bellis yet, his passing hasn’t looked great when I have seen him but that’s not really anything to go off in two games.
 
BJL_City said:
I'd like to see if Tosin with that extra experience can bring his Blackburn form back with him.

Think Garcia is the long-term project, THB is a bit raw and needs a bit more work before he's ready to step up, maybe someone like Blackburn could take him next year.
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I want Tosin to go to a good Premier League loan next season. If Blackburn scrape through promotion, they'd be great. Leeds under Bielsa would be absolutely perfect. Brighton, Southampton maybe.

I think now Tosin is outside the club environment, I'd like to see him come back with a reputation, with experience at the PL level, maybe a bit of attention for the England side.

If he comes back now, he's still only got experience below our level and he's also been away from Pep for 2 years so I think he'd just drop to the bottom of the pile.
 
I've been a garcia fanboy since his debut against Leicester when he was telling otamendi what to do.
His height is the only thing that might hold him back.

THB is young and needs a couple more years before we begin to judge.

Never been a fan of tosin and think he has found his level in the championship
 
All three need to be nurtured, but right now, City's biggest need is a top class central defender, who will automatically improve the first team.
 
I thought the line of the back four broke down a few times last night with Garcia the one ultimately playing people onside on a few occasions. That doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault though, and thats just communication hopefully which will only improve over time.

CB is probably the most difficult position to blood a young player. Any errors are likely to be punished more heavily than any position other than in goal. I think that should be taken into account and I think it is only fair to judge him next season, if and when we get the midfield balance right so the defence isn't as easily exposed as it has been this season.

Rodri is inconsistent, having had some great games and some stinkers with not much in between. I still think he can be the solution but the midfield has been the main issue this season in my opinion.
 
Tosin (full name Abdul-Nasir Oluwatosin Oluwadoyinsolami Adarabioyo hence Tosin 8) ) is contracted until Summer next year according to Transfermarkt.co.uk so I guess we'll find out Pep s thinking sooner rather than later.

Garcia will stay with us and learn under Pep as 1 of the 4 CB's.

THB I suspect will go on loan.

That will leave us Laporte, Stones, Garcia and a new ready made CB by my thinking.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Think Tosin will be sold - at 22 Pep would want him working with the first team.
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Hopefully we have a proper look at him; his passing has been Busquets-like for Blackburn, and if he can replicate that the Premier League, he could end up being the player Rodri is supposed to, screening the back 4 and breaking lines in midfield.

Harwood-Bellis needs a loan; the best game I’ve seen him have was Arsenal away for the u23’s, where his passing was more expansive and he looked the real deal - at times in the first team he’s been understandably timid with his distribution. I think he’s potentially got the highest ceiling of the 3, but the next 2 years are going to be key to really clarifying that.

Koulibaly is the correct defensive signing this summer - not only is he absolutely elite, but he’s probably got 3 years at the very top of his game left, so could be supplemented/eventually succeeded by Garcia and THB.
 
_a_o_ said:
Hopefully we have a proper look at him; his passing has been Busquets-like for Blackburn, and if he can replicate that the Premier League, he could end up being the player Rodri is supposed to, screening the back 4 and breaking lines in midfield.

Harwood-Bellis needs a loan; the best game I’ve seen him have was Arsenal away for the u23’s, where his passing was more expansive and he looked the real deal - at times in the first team he’s been understandably timid with his distribution. I think he’s potentially got the highest ceiling of the 3, but the next 2 years are going to be key to really clarifying that.

Koulibaly is the correct defensive signing this summer - not only is he absolutely elite, but he’s probably got 3 years at the very top of his game left, so could be supplemented/eventually succeeded by Garcia and THB.
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Tosin as a DM could be an interesting idea, this is a difficult season for players returning from loans as unlikely to be the usual pre season tour games to impress in.
 
bear in the big blue house said:
Tosin as a DM could be an interesting idea, this is a difficult season for players returning from loans as unlikely to be the usual pre season tour games to impress in.
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Not sure on that, he was ropey as a right back for WBA. He has the right build for a modern CB where Garcia doesn't. If you could pick the best of each you'd have the perfect defender. I think we will go with Garcia but at some point he will be caught for pace or height or both - i guess it depends if it becomes an issue. Tosin I think might get another deal and another loan, there wont be many buying clubs and many will need players but will be skint so it could work for all involved for us to pay his wages for anither year at a Championship club. If the market is back to normal next summer he would be worth a decent price if his Blackburn form continues.

THB should go on loan for the same reasons above, lots of clubs will be brasic and there should be opportunity somewhere.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
The only thing I worry about García is that he’s neither tall nor has a big jump to make up for that, and he is a bit slow.

Saying that, Franco Baresi was only 5’9” and wasn’t quick, so those things aren’t everything.

García looks technically very good positionally, with the way he defends by staying on his feet, and with the ball.

I’ve not seen enough of Harwood-Bellis yet, his passing hasn’t looked great when I have seen him but that’s not really anything to go off in two games.
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I think they are fair concerns. I do wonder if he would be more suited as a DM. The way football is going centre halves are required to have excellent physical attributes. Particularly now teams are typically playing a high line and so require the pace to cover the ground, in addition to also facing physically imposing centre forwards.

That is why Koulibaly and Van Dyke are considered two of the best defenders in the game.
 
BlueMoonRisin' said:
Agreed on Garcia looking nervous, his toughest test indeed. I think he has the potential and quality to partner Laporte and now in the league is an ideal opportunity for him to start games.
Talk of koulibaly being the ready made replacement to fill kompany's boots. He looks a solid CB very high on quality who will most probably suit our style of play. On saying that though he's a player who has 4-5 years left at the top if he stays injury free. No saying he'd make it in the premier league as many stars in other leagues have failed. Plus he'd cost a fortune and I'd rather see the money put towards an Aguero replacement.

Otamendi will soon leave, Stones is regressing so badly he looks shot so Garcia looks best placed to step up and partner Laporte. I'd like to see Fernandinho back playing as an holding midfielder shielding the back line. I think we've missed Fern badly at times this season as a DM.

So I'd stick with youth and have Laporte mentoring Garcia with T-HB and Adarabioyo as back up.

We have some excellent young players and Tommy Doyle is another one who can't be too far away from showing what he can do in the first team. He'll probably get more game time as back up to Rodri when Fernandinho leaves.
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What makes you think Garcia is ahead of Adarabioyo? He has a better physical presence than Garcia and looks like he can link defence to midfield. He also has more experience.
 
From what I’ve seen I think THB is the brightest talent. He’s the youngest one so I don’t agree with the calls for a loan move right now.

I think he has everything to be a top talent. Would be great if they all made it with us though
 
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