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I mentioned this on an earlier thread but tonight's events made me feel it warranted a new thread of its own.

Given what is at stake in the modern game, I find the completely arbitrary way time is added on in football games to be nothing short of absurd. Injury time itself is a case in point. Tonight is one of a series of examples where no time is added on in injury time for time wasting or cheating during injury time itself. An example where no time was added on for goals and substitutions that occurred in injury time was the recent Liverpool Arsenal game.

If the correct time is not being added on for anything extraneous to the game itself during injury time then the same must be true of the rest of the game. It is, frankly, astonishing that this isn't being debated more widely in football as the current set up is a cheat's charter and makes a mockery of the game.

Surely it's time for timekeepers who are independent from the referee as they collectively seem incapable of multi-tasking.
 
Rags vs Ajax 2 mins injury time when the rags were getting battered.
 
Look at Chelsea yesterday, Drogba specifically. Doing anything he could to time waste, only 2 minutes added on at the end of the game. I also hate how during injury time, they hardly ever extend it.

By the way, just to give you an example of how poor 2 minutes of injury time was in Chelsea vs Napoli, and Rags vs Ajax... Barca vs Bayer had 2 minutes in a 7-1 game, Bayern vs Basel also had 2 minutes in a 7-0 game.

Refs should stop their watches every time there's a delay of 10 or more seconds. Then add on every second of that at the end.
 
Should have had 8 minutes (exaggerated) at the swamp during the 6-1 mauling of united, & i think we only got 2...go figure.
 
there should have been 7-8 minutes of added time tonight with all the substitutions & injuries treated in the 2nd half but only 5 was given. then there were additional injuries treated on the field in added time but no additional time was added. (so much for the 'minimum of 5 minutes'). colin hendry (no less) contacted bbc radio manchester & said the ref was a disgrace, blowing up after only 5 minutes & 3 seconds of added time.
 
The overtime for the game should have gone in to double figure's... there's no way that ref ever would have though. We've got the Lisbon players throwing themselves over and staying down for as long as possible and the ref allowed them to do so. When he finally found his balls (when a Lisbon player was down in his own area when we had a corner, a mere few inches from off the field). The ref rightfully told him to either move off the pitch or get up as he's not stopping the play anymore... and what do you know? He gets up straight away and runs it off!

Flip side then though, you've got the Goalkeeper going down when there's nothing wrong with him (who, when confronted by Balo finds out he's fine to then go down again when Balo's moved from him). The ref knows he can't tell the GK to get off the field or play on as he's the GK so has to be treated on the pitch.

That Ref completley bottled it tonight, to blow just after the 5mins (I went to the game so not sure exactly how far over the 5 mins but i've been told it wasn't much) when we've got another corner as the GK saved Harts header is a joke. Especially after they'd taken a good 30secs for every goal kick and throw in from about 40mins in!

It defo needs an independent timekeeper.
 
yeah, you're right, but the ref probably couldn't wait to get off and since the board guy only signalled 5 minutes he blew-up pretty quickly.

I think with international refs there's a degree of variation in extra time added; in German games I understand it's very rare to get anything more than 1 minute added on, and they're very punctual with wrapping things up.
 
They need to evaluate the clock in whole. The only reason it doesn't stop is because of the tech available at the time. If a player goes down, the clock should stop and should be managed by the 4th official.
 
Should have been much more than 5 added minutes yesterday. Yesterday and against swansea the game ended when we were in attacking positions. I thought the accepted wisdom was you let the attacj play out and then blow the whistle?
 
Be careful what you wish for. Games could end up 3 hours long just like american football with ad breaks for sky and time outs etc.


I am in favour of an independent timekeeper though although it brings into question how the game ends. Anyone recall the Brazil goal disallowed by Clive Thomas will understand my point.
 
I agree with you Rascal, I think there does need to be an independent timekeeper but it does have to be looked at in some detail this because it's not as easy as just stopping the clock every time the ball is out of play.

I'm a bit of an ice hockey nut and the way they do it (the clock only runs when the puck is in play) would turn a football game into a 3 hour plus marathon. I reckon you'd need to reduce the game to 60 minutes for starters and even then, a 60 minute hockey game can take 2.5 to 3 hours.

I'm in favour of timekeeping being taken away from the referee, not because I think they do a poor job of it now, just because they have enough to worry about. A rugby league style "hooter" at the end of play is a start, it would remove any potential "Clive Thomas" moments.
 
Rascal said:
Be careful what you wish for. Games could end up 3 hours long just like american football with ad breaks for sky and time outs etc.


I am in favour of an independent timekeeper though although it brings into question how the game ends. Anyone recall the Brazil goal disallowed by Clive Thomas will understand my point.
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Remember it well, Rascal. They were fucking about quite a bit IIRC, or at least that's what Clive "the Book" said.

That's my point I guess, for something that can change games and titles so profoundly it seems to be administered in an almost casual, finger in the air manner.
 
Rascal said:
Be careful what you wish for. Games could end up 3 hours long just like american football with ad breaks for sky and time outs etc.


I am in favour of an independent timekeeper though although it brings into question how the game ends. Anyone recall the Brazil goal disallowed by Clive Thomas will understand my point.
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But the NFL stops the clock so everybody knows exactly how much time has gone/still to play. The rules are crystal clear on what keeps the clock going and what stops the clock.
 
Rascal said:
Be careful what you wish for. Games could end up 3 hours long just like american football with ad breaks for sky and time outs etc.


I am in favour of an independent timekeeper though although it brings into question how the game ends. Anyone recall the Brazil goal disallowed by Clive Thomas will understand my point.
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yeah I was watching that game and Thomas was a maniac; I don't know if that's ever been repeated, but like Zico (who couldn't believe it) that was an astonishing thing to happen (Thomas's decision) and has been held up ever since as an example of how not to officiate.
 
MCFCinUSA said:
Rascal said:
Be careful what you wish for. Games could end up 3 hours long just like american football with ad breaks for sky and time outs etc.


I am in favour of an independent timekeeper though although it brings into question how the game ends. Anyone recall the Brazil goal disallowed by Clive Thomas will understand my point.
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yeah I was watching that game and Thomas was a maniac; I don't know if that's ever been repeated, but like Zico (who couldn't believe it) that was an astonishing thing to happen (Thomas's decision) and has been held up ever since as an example of how not to officiate.
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i once met clive thomas & he told me he wasn't allowed back in brazil after that incident. probably just as well for him.
 
A qualified ref solely responsible for keeping the time from sidelines.

Injury....... stop the clock until restart
Goal...... stop the clock until restart
Substitute.......stop the clock until restart.
Timewasting... ref to use yellow card. a player or two sent off for 2
yellows would soon see it stopped

At the end of 45 minutes under above criteria time official sounds klaxon and game is over no matter what is happening on the pitch.
 
Thought this for a long time. So much of the time keeping in a football match seems totally arbitrary or even random. Time is not added for most of the time that the ball is out of play. It isn't added on for a freekick for instance but sometimes there is so much arsing around with the wall etc that it can take a couple of minutes. I assume if there is a freekick where the trainer comes on to treat a player then time is added on even if the stoppage is only a minute? They never get the added time right but how can they when it all seems such a grey area? Should be 30 minutes actual playing time per half.
 
If Hart`s header went in last night - all the City players should have returned to their own half & all lay down injured.
 
I agree if time is up then the ref should blow and not allow the corner to be taken. The fact was time wasnt up and there should have been another 2minutes
 
NI Blue said:
A qualified ref solely responsible for keeping the time from sidelines.

Injury....... stop the clock until restart
Goal...... stop the clock until restart
Substitute.......stop the clock until restart.
Timewasting... ref to use yellow card. a player or two sent off for 2
yellows would soon see it stopped

At the end of 45 minutes under above criteria time official sounds klaxon and game is over no matter what is happening on the pitch.
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nail on the head and easy to do
 
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