Harry how can you say they have more european experiance than us ? As a club they have only been formed for around 8 years and as a club we have played many more eurpean games than they have. Also as a squad we have arguably players with as much european experiance than at any other club in europe, we have Champions League winners in our team. With the exception of maybe Joe Hart i would say over the last 5 years the rest of our starting line-up have played regular european football with most competing at the highest level in the Champions League. Yet some people on here feel these players should be happy with a draw against a team that are european minnows. Just to correct anybody thats saying they beat Shakhtar they didnt they drew both legs and went through on away goals. Also in there entire history they have played a total of 14 european games winning just 2, the last was in the qualifier to face us where they scrapped through against none other than MYPA ???