Tipping on ordering

blueparrot said:
Yes, it's not tips anymore really it's service charge and that is usually split between the whole team, bar staff, waiters , washer uppers, cleaners.A tip was a couple of quid to go in the waiters pocket. Service charge is a different thing.
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You're very insistent on this buts its bollocks, the price of the meal has always had the service part in it, you can't wander in and say table for 2 please and tonight.i will be cooking it and the wife will be dishing it out ta very much.
If a business cannot survive on the price quoted for a meal then put the price up then the extra cost is spread amongst everyone who goes in. Why you asking decent tippers to pay more for their meal so non tippers get it cheaper.
Its a con to embarrass people and make them cough up £70 for a £60 meal. Why not add a service charge at McDonald's, a mechanic, a gp warming his finger before he sticks it up your arse?
I would urge anyone who is asked to provide a tip before they even sit down to walk out and give the restaurant a shit review. Let it fail, cheeky twats, no wonder people stay at home.
 
city5189 said:
I used to work at a posh hotel restaurant in my younger days being a kitchen porter and it's the hardest job there,used to piss me off when end of shift all the waiters/waitress would all share the tips with eachother while me and other kp wouldn't get anything despite earning minimum wage we would still be cleaning long after they went home.
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Should have become a waiter. You can be as miserable as you like cleaning and you dont do face to face with the great British public.
 
mexico1970 said:
People have always tipped when they wanted though, in this country it's not expected and shouldn't be.

Robbing cheeky bastards putting it on the bill.
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I was talking specifically about the option on the card reader in pubs for a tip, that some people are objecting to. I've had a little half hearted whinge myself about it myself, but I don't mind it really. Tips used to be a decent add on to a pretty shit wage for a lot of barmaids/barmen. But they've dried up to virtually nothing now in a lot of pubs, where it's all cards, so I don't mind it. There's still no obligation.
 
hilts said:
You're very insistent on this buts its bollocks, the price of the meal has always had the service part in it, you can't wander in and say table for 2 please and tonight.i will be cooking it and the wife will be dishing it out ta very much.
If a business cannot survive on the price quoted for a meal then put the price up then the extra cost is spread amongst everyone who goes in. Why you asking decent tippers to pay more for their meal so non tippers get it cheaper.
Its a con to embarrass people and make them cough up £70 for a £60 meal. Why not add a service charge at McDonald's, a mechanic, a gp warming his finger before he sticks it up your arse?
I would urge anyone who is asked to provide a tip before they even sit down to walk out and give the restaurant a shit review. Let it fail, cheeky twats, no wonder people stay at home.
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That's just it I'm not insistent, I couldn't care less whether my bill says £100 plus 12 % service charge or says £112 with no service charge. Makes no difference to me or when I eat out, the industry has decided to go with the former and the majority now do it and it is't going back, so pay it or don't.
 
mexico1970 said:
Numbers don't lie, people are refusing to pay it this isn't America.

www.morningadvertiser.co.uk

1 in 5 consumers never pay service charge

More than a fifth of restaurant and bargoers never pay the optional service charge, research has revealed.
www.morningadvertiser.co.uk www.morningadvertiser.co.uk
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It’s a choice and a reward for good service for those who can afford to pay it.

It shouldn’t be the American way of viewing it where it’s seen as rude in their culture if you don’t tip… as much as some Brits live their lives like they’re part of American culture (weird behaviour), we aren’t part of American culture.

Going out for a meal is a once a year treat for some families. They might have to hold back a bit of money for a few months beforehand to be able to afford it. People like this are well within their rights not to pay a tip as it’s already been a stretch to afford the meal. It shouldn’t be seen as a requirement or rude not to.

I always used to tip 20p, then 50p, for years when buying a pint, for every pint on a night out. But in more recent times, I’ve noticed a decline in quality of bar staff in pubs and bars. Very often bar staff ignore people stood at the bar waiting to be served while they carry on a conversation and still carry on that conversation when they finally get around to serving someone (often not the person who’s next because they weren’t paying attention to that) and don’t engage with the punter in any way whatsoever until they say ‘that’s £6, cash or card?’.

I only tip bar staff these days if they engage with me, remember my drink from previous visits or do a good job on making a nice Old Fashioned.
 
.db. said:
It’s a choice and a reward for good service for those who can afford to pay it.

It shouldn’t be the American way of viewing it where it’s seen as rude in their culture if you don’t tip… as much as some Brits live their lives like they’re part of American culture (weird behaviour), we aren’t part of American culture.

Going out for a meal is a once a year treat for some families. They might have to hold back a bit of money for a few months beforehand to be able to afford it. People like this are well within their rights not to pay a tip as it’s already been a stretch to afford the meal. It shouldn’t be seen as a requirement or rude not to.

I always used to tip 20p, then 50p, for years when buying a pint, for every pint on a night out. But in more recent times, I’ve noticed a decline in quality of bar staff in pubs and bars. Very often bar staff ignore people stood at the bar waiting to be served while they carry on a conversation and still carry on that conversation when they finally get around to serving someone (often not the person who’s next because they weren’t paying attention to that) and don’t engage with the punter in any way whatsoever until they say ‘that’s £6, cash or card?’.

I only tip bar staff these days if they engage with me, remember my drink from previous visits or do a good job on making a nice Old Fashioned.
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I agree with all of that really.

Saying that I don't go out for meals or for a drink that often because it doesn't feel the same, it doesn't feel special anymore.

I stayed over in a hotel in Burnley on Saturday night after a house party and caught the x43 to Manchester early doors and got into Manchester for around 12 o'clock in the afternoon.

The place was ramped with obviously well to do people sitting on scruffy walls smoking weed with a cacophony of multi coloured badly knitted cardigans and edgy haircuts, these weren't kids these were fully fledged adults stealing the edginess from the teenagers pretending to have angst.

Just like football and everything else, the hospitality sector is catering for these fuckers, leaving the teenagers unable to afford to do what they have always done which is be involved.
 
blueparrot said:
That's just it I'm not insistent, I couldn't care less whether my bill says £100 plus 12 % service charge or says £112 with no service charge. Makes no difference to me or when I eat out, the industry has decided to go with the former and the majority now do it and it is't going back, so pay it or don't.
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Enjoying your evening outside a random restaurant counting how many people do it.

Do keep us informed, im guessing you eat at a lot of restaurants that serve Lamb?

:-)
 
blueparrot said:
That's just it I'm not insistent, I couldn't care less whether my bill says £100 plus 12 % service charge or says £112 with no service charge. Makes no difference to me or when I eat out, the industry has decided to go with the former and the majority now do it and it is't going back, so pay it or don't.
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Do you own a restaurant?
 
hilts said:
Enjoying your evening outside a random restaurant counting how many people do it.

Do keep us informed, im guessing you eat at a lot of restaurants that serve Lamb?

:-)
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You seem confused by the I don't care bit in my posts. I'll carry on enjoying my meals out as I always have , if others want to get hung up and spoil their night about how the bill is presented or broken down, that's their perogative,doesn't impact me whatsoever.
 
grunge said:
Do you own a restaurant?
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No, I do eat out a fair bit and have familly that work in restaurants.I just know if there was no service charge it doesn't mean you pay the same and leave a few quid on the table (especially as most younger people don't carry cash).The alternative is higher bills so you end up paying the same but with less choice or transparency. As I've said many times so will leave it here, makes no difference to me which way around a resturant decides to do it.
 
blueparrot said:
You seem confused by the I don't care bit in my posts. I'll carry on enjoying my meals out as I always have , if others want to get hung up and spoil their night about how the bill is presented or broken down, that's their perogative,doesn't impact me whatsoever.
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To debate something one has to be hung up?

I think we can leave it there.
 
P1ssed off with this whole tipping thing. I tip well only in restaurants with very good food and very good service and it has to be good. If it’s not then tough. No way would I tip in a ‘greasy spoon’. On Monday, in Manchester, we had a two cups of coffee in a coffee shop and when we went out we paid, the lady said I’ve added a 10% service charge is that OK? I told her in no uncertain term to take it off.

On a side note: I have never, ever been tipped for doing my job. 23 years in the army and another 17 years as a teacher. If anyone deserves a tip I think it’s me.
 
.db. said:
It’s a choice and a reward for good service for those who can afford to pay it.

It shouldn’t be the American way of viewing it where it’s seen as rude in their culture if you don’t tip… as much as some Brits live their lives like they’re part of American culture (weird behaviour), we aren’t part of American culture.

Going out for a meal is a once a year treat for some families. They might have to hold back a bit of money for a few months beforehand to be able to afford it. People like this are well within their rights not to pay a tip as it’s already been a stretch to afford the meal. It shouldn’t be seen as a requirement or rude not to.

I always used to tip 20p, then 50p, for years when buying a pint, for every pint on a night out. But in more recent times, I’ve noticed a decline in quality of bar staff in pubs and bars. Very often bar staff ignore people stood at the bar waiting to be served while they carry on a conversation and still carry on that conversation when they finally get around to serving someone (often not the person who’s next because they weren’t paying attention to that) and don’t engage with the punter in any way whatsoever until they say ‘that’s £6, cash or card?’.

I only tip bar staff these days if they engage with me, remember my drink from previous visits or do a good job on making a nice Old Fashioned.
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Thing with the American system isn't that its considered rude not to tip, its more that server's are pretty much considered self employed and the vast majority of there salary comes from tips. its quite common for servers in the US to be paid under $3 an hour. they categorically need the tips to live and that is a horrific place to be, we need to be trying to avoid at all costs.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
P1ssed off with this whole tipping thing. I tip well only in restaurants with very good food and very good service and it has to be good. If it’s not then tough. No way would I tip in a ‘greasy spoon’. On Monday, in Manchester, we had a two cups of coffee in a coffee shop and when we went out we paid, the lady said I’ve added a 10% service charge is that OK? I told her in no uncertain term to take it off.

On a side note: I have never, ever been tipped for doing my job. 23 years in the army and another 17 years as a teacher. If anyone deserves a tip I think it’s me.
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Cheeky bugger :)
 
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