Today's shooting in America thread

The time to do something was the first mass shooting. Australia had a mass shooting in Port Arthur and they said never again and cracked down on it. The UK had the Dunblane massacre and they said never again and cracked down on handgun ownership. The US has had countless and they decide an ancient piece of paper is worth more than their own citizens lives, their own fucking children.

The decision was made and you can’t put that genie back in its bottle. This will never stop over there. I couldn’t even imagine sending your kid to school and having to worry you’ll never see them again.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Hey, well at least the NRA has "thoughts and prayers" for the deceased... Goddamn bastards.
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Im all for liberty but confiscating guns in the UK and Aus couldn’t have been clearer as a good decision. We still have violent crime, murders and the odd terror attack but it would be much much worse if you gave the population guns. My grandson can go to school without any of us having to worry about him being murdered.

I wish you all the luck in the states with sorting this shit out, dead kids is about as bad as it gets.
 
domalino said:
Come on, at least read the things you're posting. The statista graph you posted said 63 out of 127 had prior mental issues. The other 64 were unclear, none or unknown.

Also, no the Buffalo shooter made a threat, that's not a diagnosed mental health issue.
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At least read what I posted. You said '50% show zero signs at all' and i was pointing out that the graph actually shows 17 out of 127 had 'No signs of mental health issues'. 48 out of 127 were undetermined.

The Buffalo shooter made a threat which was investigated by police. That should have been an instant red flag as to the suitability of the individual to legally purchase a firearm, whether or not it was elevated as a mental health issues.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
At least read what I posted. You said '50% show zero signs at all' and i was pointing out that the graph actually shows 17 out of 127 had 'No signs of mental health issues'. 48 out of 127 were undetermined.

The Buffalo shooter made a threat which was investigated by police. That should have been an instant red flag as to the suitability of the individual to legally purchase a firearm, whether or not it was elevated as a mental health issues.
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This is really simple. Either you've got prior signs of mental health issues, or you don't.

50% of the 127 did.
 
yankblue said:
More guns will be the answer
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I can't remember who it was who said 'arm the teachers', but that's possibly the dumbest take on school shootings.

In every subsequent school shooting the teacher will be the first one shot.

Arming teachers may lead to shooting events being ended sooner because a teacher from another classroom is able to stop the shooter, but not before a classroom full of kids plus their armed teacher are already dead.
 
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bluemoon32 said:
Just can't my head around how a country can be so fucking backward regarding guns.
Just so sad that once again it's children who are paying the price.
There's lots that i love about the US but their love for guns is absolutely mental
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Let's be honest, if the US was on another continent - say Africa or Asia - people in the West would see it as a totally 'backward' country full stop, between the endemic gun violence, apartheid/racism, domestic terrorism, wars, mass incarceration, death penalty, abortion debate, influence of fundamentalists, inequality and generally poor standard of policing. It's only because of bias and how good the US is at mythologizing itself that it's judged much more kindly.

This latest shooting will most likely see gun sales go up, between people who think the answer to bad guys with guns is more good guys with guns, and those who want to stock up in case the government cracks down. I think we will see a second US civil war before the gun nuts will give them up. And I say this as someone who has been to the US a good few times, has seen the good in it and has relatives who migrated there years ago.
 
RandomJ said:
The time to do something was the first mass shooting. Australia had a mass shooting in Port Arthur and they said never again and cracked down on it. The UK had the Dunblane massacre and they said never again and cracked down on handgun ownership. The US has had countless and they decide an ancient piece of paper is worth more than their own citizens lives, their own fucking children.

The decision was made and you can’t put that genie back in its bottle. This will never stop over there. I couldn’t even imagine sending your kid to school and having to worry you’ll never see them again.
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No doubt hundreds of years ago in England we all had a right in some kings statute to carry swords. I cant walk down a highstreet carrying a sword these days. Am I bothered, nope. Neither is anyone else. The good old US of A needs to join the modern world and outlaw guns.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can't remember who it was who said 'arm the teachers', but that's possibly the dumbest take on school shootings.

In every subsequent school shooting the teacher will be the first one shot.

Arming teachers may lead to shooting events being ended sooner because a teacher from another classroom is able to stop the shooter, but not before a classroom full of kids plus their armed teacher are already dead.
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I thought there were some states that armed the teachers already (maybe even a requirement of employment). I may be wrong on that.

The NRA idiots will have children too, I've no doubt that at some point there'll be cases of them sending their kids to school armed.

Uncle Wally One Ball said:
There have been 27 school shootings so far in 2022.

These loons still don't do anything.

Mental place.
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We're not even at the end of the fifth month either, they're heading for around 65 incidents for the calendar year. That's just the school shootings, not malls or workplace shootings.
 
I would be shitting myself if I was teacher told to arm myself to protect the kids.. basically if there is a shooter the teacher is going down.
 
Magicpole said:
Once again children pay the price of abject cowardice of the political class. Shameful. I watched that piece of shit Cruz trying to justify doing nothing and felt sick to my stomach.
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It's not cowardice it's calculated and deliberate. They get funded by the NRA and gun companies so they are in a position to stifle and hinder any attempt at gun control.
 
bumbleblue said:
I would be shitting myself if I was teacher told to arm myself to protect the kids.. basically if there is a shooter the teacher is going down.
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Not only does it make the teacher the prime target for any kid wishing to shoot up their school, but if the teacher were to evade getting shot there is a high risk that they could actually shoot more than one of their own pupils if/when returning fire.

The teacher is also at high risk of being shot by law enforcement should they enter the building during an active shooter incident. Law enforcement could also be at risk of being shot by a very nervous trigger happy teacher.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Not only does it make the teacher the prime target for any kid wishing to shoot up their school, but if the teacher were to evade getting shot there is a high risk that they could actually shoot more than one of their own pupils if/when returning fire.

The teacher is also at high risk of being shot by law enforcement should they enter the building during an active shooter incident. Law enforcement could also be at risk of being shot by a very nervous trigger happy teacher.
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Yeah it’s a fucking mess , more of a mess if that’s even possible.
 
Magicpole said:
The republican religious right are America’s Taliban. Pro Life my arse. Utter scum of the earth.
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They are on Fox this morning stating why are they sending $40bn to help Ukraine when we can use that money to protect our schools by having an armed guard at each one?

Any more inbred and they would be a sandwich, fucking cunts.

Funny how when you raise with pro-gun people that the US spends billions of dollars each year going after the cartels who produce and flood the country with drugs, but they can peddle the bullshit that it is not the guns which are the issue, but the people holding them...


Maybe they should arrest all the people who take drugs in the US?

Oh, wait...
 
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