Tom Lockyer - Luton captain collapses during their match against Bournemouth.

[VOOMER]

Ta, very rare but the covid vaccine loons will jump on it

My personal experience after 23 negative tests and having spent 4 hours driving my COVID positive niece to Nottingham and back. Then being sick as pig every time I had a vaccination (4 times), is that the whole process was garbage.

 

[VOOMER]

I find it funny whenever anti-vaxxers think that literally any adverse effect from a vaccine is concrete evidence of their conspiratorial thinking, as though vaccines haven't already been causing adverse effects and deaths for more than a century. When it comes to viruses and vaccines, science isn't about cheating death or preventing death outright, it's about weighing up which option causes more deaths and going ahead with the one that causes less - in the case of Covid vaccines, significantly less. People who make vaccines are always careful to mention this.

For instance, science established that, in the UK, for every 100,000 people during the pandemic, 114 of them died from Covid. For every 100,000 people who took the vaccine, roughly 1 person has suffered an "adverse effect" (that's anything from death, to a stoke, to an upset stomach). In the US they've confirmed that an average of 0.4 people per 100,000 died after taking the vaccine with a booster (and that's not necessarily to say they died as a result of the vaccine, just that they died after having received it).

So, science looks at the figures. Would it rather 114 people died out of every 100,000, or 0.4 people per 100,000? Science will pick the smaller number of deaths every time. It's cold and objective, but science thinks it's worth sacrificing 1 person out of every 500,000 if it saves the lives of 570 people at the same time (114 x 5).

It should be up to people to make their own choice about whether they get the vaccine. It's why I didn't agree with vaccine passports or ostracising people who decided not to get a booster. As far as I'm concerned, I get my vaccine so other people don't have to. But, by the same token, if people have done the reading and are making an informed decision about their heath and they want to go ahead and get the vaccine, smug anti-vaxxers pointing at literally any medical complaint these days and saying we should get rid of all vaccines and inoculations is pathetic behaviour. Footballers have been collapsing and having heart attacks since way before anyone knew what Covid was.

Funnily enough, Marc Vivien Foe should have been 49 today. Should we track down his family and ask if he was vaxxed when he collapsed and died on the pitch? Thought not.

The whole process was bollocks, it was so deadly that the government carried on as is, as did the super rich. What it did do was show many people had been suffering with poor health, sometimes for the lack of just basic health care. Maybe the powers that be were seeing how feeble minded people (and easily led by the media) had become. How far we could be pushed before we pushed back? Regardless the horrendous virus caused the loss of loved one's and was used as the cover for a lot deaths that had nothing to do with COVID. The vast majority of people who were vaccinated suffered no side effects, just as the vast majority of people didn't test positive then, or since for COVID. Possibly a combination of isolation and other preventive measures. Still the powers that be, by their very actions clearly didn't believe the threat was anywhere near the public claims. But its was enough to make people ignore the £45 billion of tax payers money that went into they and their cronies pockets via the media driven panic to find cures. Funny that there hasn't been any appetite from almost anyone to look into those contracts.
Exactly, people have been dying in that way for thousands of years

 

[youngbob]

The whole process was bollocks, it was so deadly that the government carried on as is, as did the super rich. What it did do was show many people had been suffering with poor health, sometimes for the lack of just basic health care. Maybe the powers that be were seeing how feeble minded people (and easily led by the media) had become. How far we could be pushed before we pushed back? Regardless the horrendous virus caused the loss of loved one's and was used as the cover for a lot deaths that had nothing to do with COVID. The vast majority of people who were vaccinated suffered no side effects, just as the vast majority of people didn't test positive then, or since for COVID. Possibly a combination of isolation and other preventive measures. Still the powers that be, by their very actions clearly didn't believe the threat was anywhere near the public claims. But its was enough to make people ignore the £45 billion of tax payers money that went into they and their cronies pockets via the media driven panic to find cures. Funny that there hasn't been any appetite from almost anyone to look into those contracts.
Exactly, people have been dying in that way for thousands of years

Mate, what are you talking about?

I sympathise with the broad thrust of what you're getting at but you're basing it on data that's not accurate. You're saying the "vast majority of people" didn't test positive for Covid but by February 2022, 70% of the UK population had already had it. That literally is the majority. I agree that the PPE contracts and the Track & Trace contracts were bogus, I agree that the subsequent investigations (or lack thereof) have been pathetic, and I agree that governments and the super rich saw lockdown as an opportunity to expand their personal wealth while the working class suffered in immeasurable ways. But I don't think they partied through lockdown because they didn't see Covid as a threat, I think they partied through lockdown because they don't believe that rules apply to them. That's how they end up in positions of power, by stepping on the faces and necks of decent people to lift themselves up.

But the manufacture and rollout of the vaccine was an entirely separate issue managed by entirely different people. If the UK government wanted to keep us under control so they could continue lining their pockets then why did they roll out a vaccine that allowed us all to go back outside again? They definitely saw lockdown as a chance to widen the gap between rich and poor, I'm not disputing that, but they did all that work as fast as they could because they knew it wouldn't last for long once the vaccine came along. The vaccine, and the people who took it, saved us all from the lockdowns carrying on any further and saved us all from the government continuing to use the pandemic as a way of giving their mates brown envelopes.

I know people who worked on the vaccine and worked on the rollout of the vaccine and I can promise you that they're just everyday ordinary people who just so happened to work for Pfizer and AstraZeneca. And they had virtually fuck all to do with any government figures, whether from the UK or anywhere else. They manufactured the vaccine and gave them to governments in boxes and in the backs of trucks, but everything done after that was entirely separate and the interactions rarely went beyond that. It wasn't about keeping us "feeble-minded", it was just about finding a way to get 99% of people back into the world again without endangering ourselves.

 

[malg]

Fuck me, another thread gone mental.

 

[VOOMER]

Mate, what are you talking about?

I sympathise with the broad thrust of what you're getting at but you're basing it on data that's not accurate. You're saying the "vast majority of people" didn't test positive for Covid but by February 2022, 70% of the UK population had already had it. That literally is the majority. I agree that the PPE contracts and the Track & Trace contracts were bogus, I agree that the subsequent investigations (or lack thereof) have been pathetic, and I agree that governments and the super rich saw lockdown as an opportunity to expand their personal wealth while the working class suffered in immeasurable ways. But I don't think they partied through lockdown because they didn't see Covid as a threat, I think they partied through lockdown because they don't believe that rules apply to them. That's how they end up in positions of power, by stepping on the faces and necks of decent people to lift themselves up.

But the manufacture and rollout of the vaccine was an entirely separate issue managed by entirely different people. If the UK government wanted to keep us under control so they could continue lining their pockets then why did they roll out a vaccine that allowed us all to go back outside again? They definitely saw lockdown as a chance to widen the gap between rich and poor, I'm not disputing that, but they did all that work as fast as they could because they knew it wouldn't last for long once the vaccine came along. The vaccine, and the people who took it, saved us all from the lockdowns carrying on any further and saved us all from the government continuing to use the pandemic as a way of giving their mates brown envelopes.

I know people who worked on the vaccine and worked on the rollout of the vaccine and I can promise you that they're just everyday ordinary people who just so happened to work for Pfizer and AstraZeneca. And they had virtually fuck all to do with any government figures, whether from the UK or anywhere else. They manufactured the vaccine and gave them to governments in boxes and in the backs of trucks, but everything done after that was entirely separate and the interactions rarely went beyond that. It wasn't about keeping us "feeble-minded", it was just about finding a way to get 99% of people back into the world again without endangering ourselves.

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[youngbob]

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You don't seem well, mate.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Mate, what are you talking about?

I sympathise with the broad thrust of what you're getting at but you're basing it on data that's not accurate. You're saying the "vast majority of people" didn't test positive for Covid but by February 2022, 70% of the UK population had already had it. That literally is the majority. I agree that the PPE contracts and the Track & Trace contracts were bogus, I agree that the subsequent investigations (or lack thereof) have been pathetic, and I agree that governments and the super rich saw lockdown as an opportunity to expand their personal wealth while the working class suffered in immeasurable ways. But I don't think they partied through lockdown because they didn't see Covid as a threat, I think they partied through lockdown because they don't believe that rules apply to them. That's how they end up in positions of power, by stepping on the faces and necks of decent people to lift themselves up.

But the manufacture and rollout of the vaccine was an entirely separate issue managed by entirely different people. If the UK government wanted to keep us under control so they could continue lining their pockets then why did they roll out a vaccine that allowed us all to go back outside again? They definitely saw lockdown as a chance to widen the gap between rich and poor, I'm not disputing that, but they did all that work as fast as they could because they knew it wouldn't last for long once the vaccine came along. The vaccine, and the people who took it, saved us all from the lockdowns carrying on any further and saved us all from the government continuing to use the pandemic as a way of giving their mates brown envelopes.

I know people who worked on the vaccine and worked on the rollout of the vaccine and I can promise you that they're just everyday ordinary people who just so happened to work for Pfizer and AstraZeneca. And they had virtually fuck all to do with any government figures, whether from the UK or anywhere else. They manufactured the vaccine and gave them to governments in boxes and in the backs of trucks, but everything done after that was entirely separate and the interactions rarely went beyond that. It wasn't about keeping us "feeble-minded", it was just about finding a way to get 99% of people back into the world again without endangering ourselves.

Why.are young healthy male footballers collapsing on the field of play?
Why do they have heart trouble ?
This is the ( rather worrying ) question.
Who will be next ?

 

[youngbob]

Why.are young healthy male footballers collapsing on the field of play?
Why do they have heart trouble ?
This is the ( rather worrying ) question.
Who will be next ?

Young healthy footballers have been collapsing on the field of play for over a century. There hasn't been a spike in these incidents since the pandemic and subsequent jabs. Studies have been conducted into this. In fact, there was a study before the pandemic into why more young footballers were dying on the pitch. https://www.theguardian.com/science...of-heart-problems-than-thought-fa-study-finds. Marc Vivien Foe, Cheick Tiote, Antonio Puerta, a dozen others in my lifetime. Fabrice Muamba who thankfully survived. Stop trying to win an argument when you clearly have no fucking clue about it.

Waiting for a response on this. @dennishasdoneit. It can be witty if you want.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Anti-vaxxers. Bless ‘em.

 

[Gray]

Anti-vaxxers. Bless ‘em.

Yes let’s bring back Polio, TB and the like.