Tory bastards

[jacko74]

As your job was so easily expendable it surely proves that it wasn't exactly a vital role you were performing, get yourself a nice job in the private sector and get to experience what working for a living is really like.
Sorry if this sounds a tad harsh but I've had more than enough experience to see just what cushy numbers public sector workers are on.
and if my employer offered me a years salary and early pension i'd be bouncing off the walls with joy.

 

[tommyducks]

this is not aimed at you so dont take it personally


if we cant afford to pay a public sector worker say 25k per annum..and his paye and NI another 8k perannum...and his costs, office, telephone , pension contributions, electiricity, holidays, sick pay, etc..all adds upto another 14k pa...

so to employ that ONe person it costs the tax payer nearly 50k pa......now add his manager, and his team ...so all of a sudden we have a costs of millions for a set of people who provide would could be a non essential service...say gay and lesbian liason welfare and support officer...etc..


an idea would be , take your years redundancy , and instead of sitting watching Jeremy kyle and moaning about what was...see it as an investment fund to start your own business...employ other people , contribute to the nations tax fund..and start afresh in the real world ...ratehr than 20years that behind you....

So homophobic AND a rag! Take your advice and shove it up your arse<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:17 pm --<br /><br />

As your job was so easily expendable it surely proves that it wasn't exactly a vital role you were performing, get yourself a nice job in the private sector and get to experience what working for a living is really like.
Sorry if this sounds a tad harsh but I've had more than enough experience to see just what cushy numbers public sector workers are on.
and if my employer offered me a years salary and early pension i'd be bouncing off the walls with joy.

You have the advantage of being able to talk freely about what you do. I don't have that luxury at the moment.

 

[malg]

this is not aimed at you so dont take it personally


if we cant afford to pay a public sector worker say 25k per annum..and his paye and NI another 8k perannum...and his costs, office, telephone , pension contributions, electiricity, holidays, sick pay, etc..all adds upto another 14k pa...

so to employ that ONe person it costs the tax payer nearly 50k pa......now add his manager, and his team ...so all of a sudden we have a costs of millions for a set of people who provide would could be a non essential service...say gay and lesbian liason welfare and support officer...etc..


an idea would be , take your years redundancy , and instead of sitting watching Jeremy kyle and moaning about what was...see it as an investment fund to start your own business...employ other people , contribute to the nations tax fund..and start afresh in the real world ...ratehr than 20years that behind you....

So homophobic AND a rag! Take your advice and shove it up your arse

hahahaha

 

[bumbles]

this is not aimed at you so dont take it personally


if we cant afford to pay a public sector worker say 25k per annum..and his paye and NI another 8k perannum...and his costs, office, telephone , pension contributions, electiricity, holidays, sick pay, etc..all adds upto another 14k pa...

so to employ that ONe person it costs the tax payer nearly 50k pa......now add his manager, and his team ...so all of a sudden we have a costs of millions for a set of people who provide would could be a non essential service...say gay and lesbian liason welfare and support officer...etc..


an idea would be , take your years redundancy , and instead of sitting watching Jeremy kyle and moaning about what was...see it as an investment fund to start your own business...employ other people , contribute to the nations tax fund..and start afresh in the real world ...ratehr than 20years that behind you....

So homophobic AND a rag! Take your advice and shove it up your arse

-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:17 pm --

As your job was so easily expendable it surely proves that it wasn't exactly a vital role you were performing, get yourself a nice job in the private sector and get to experience what working for a living is really like.
Sorry if this sounds a tad harsh but I've had more than enough experience to see just what cushy numbers public sector workers are on.
and if my employer offered me a years salary and early pension i'd be bouncing off the walls with joy.

You have the advantage of being able to talk freely about what you do. I don't have that luxury at the moment.

as I say dont take it personally ...I could of easily said...

community empowerment network programme manager at Thurrock Council in Essex ? paying almost £30,000...the example was show the plethora of non essential jobs...I would rather pay 2 nurses more than this job above.


still you can always be bitter and dont control your own destiny eh?...welcome to the real world..gone are the days of 30 sicks days a year 30 day holiday and 35 hour weeks on teh tax payer...

 

[JULES]

more cuts please cameron, lets get it over and done with, now.

 

[tommyducks]

more cuts please cameron, lets get it over and done with, now.

Ha ha. You will pay the price in due course.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I was out of work in the last recession in the early 90's. I applied for over 200 jobs and didn't get a single interview. Dole told me to sell my house (to who? ffs!) so I just did whatever I could, a bit of lorry driving, courier work etc and eventually got a job via an accountant I knew - in other words by networking. This might be an avenue Tommy, it's who you know not what you know.

I personally think that we desperately need cuts and there are inevitably going to be good folk who lose their jobs and struggle but what is the alternative?

good luck mate

 

[tommyducks]

I was out of work in the last recession in the early 90's. I applied for over 200 jobs and didn't get a single interview. Dole told me to sell my house (to who? ffs!) so I just did whatever I could, a bit of lorry driving, courier work etc and eventually got a job via an accountant I knew - in other words by networking. This might be an avenue Tommy, it's who you know not what you know.

I personally think that we desperately need cuts and there are inevitably going to be good folk who lose their jobs and struggle but what is the alternative?

good luck mate

Thanks Ronnie much appreciated.

 

[totallywired]

Let battle commence. `The Workers United will never be defeated`. We will all suffer if the argument carries on between `private` and public` sector workers. The rich scum are getting richer and we are being made to pay for there greed. The only question we should ask these parasites, is whether they want a blindfold or not. If we do not stick tgether it could be YOU next.

 

[bumbles]

perhaps i was a bit harsh ...sorry like I said it wasnt personal...I have been made redundant 3 times and made to apply for my own job twice in teh last 23 years...when I was out of work ,all I would claim was £84 per fortnight and the council were taking me to court for council tax arrears..so they could pay their cheif exec £200k pa...after 11 weeks I was back in work through my efforts not anyone elses...in total I was paid less than £450...and I ran up debts of £2000, that took me the first 18months of my new job to pay off...

its life ,a dn sometimes you have to pull your socks up and get on with it .

 

[Skashion]

How did I know this thread would degenerate into absurd claims that the private sector pays for the public sector as if every public sector job would not exist if everyone was to be employed by the private sector. Would we opt for the American highly cost-effective solution to health care? That hugely profitable industry with small numbers of executives whose shares are worth billions on the back of illness. Some people may argue that's an extreme example - after all most people in this country do genuinely want the NHS, but any industry or company in the private sector will pursue higher profit for themselves and their shareholders. True, they may well may make things more efficient and get rid of employees who are surplus to requirements in pursuit of it but will that money go back in your pocket? Fuck no. It goes to make the rich richer. I'd choose the option that employs more people myself. Not only do I believe it is better for society to have more people in work than on the dole or on disability but it is also far harder for them to escape taxation than someone who has an army of accountants setting up offshore accounts and legions of subsidiaries. Even worse though is to have private companies working with public money because they'll waste it under the correct assumption that the government will be there to bail them out with more.

 

[bumbles]

Let battle commence. `The Workers United will never be defeated`. We will all suffer if the argument carries on between `private` and public` sector workers. The rich scum are getting richer and we are being made to pay for there greed. The only question we should ask these parasites, is whether they want a blindfold or not. If we do not stick tgether it could be YOU next.

these rich bastards you talk of include council bosses on £100, s of thousands a year...Union bosses on £100, s thousands a year...right on brother , keep fighting the class war...youre blind if you beleive these so called working class heroes arent taking you for a ride..

at least some one like Branson, green etc...have worked hard and employed people , paid their bills etc...<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:53 pm --<br /><br />

How did I know this thread would degenerate into absurd claims that the private sector pays for the public sector as if every public sector job would not exist if everyone was to be employed by the private sector. Would we opt for the American highly cost-effective solution to health care? That hugely profitable industry with small numbers of executives whose shares are worth billions on the back of illness. Some people may argue that's an extreme example - after all most people in this country do genuinely want the NHS, but any industry or company in the private sector will pursue higher profit for themselves and their shareholders. True, they may well may make things more efficient and get rid of employees who are surplus to requirements in pursuit of it but will that money go back in your pocket? Fuck no. It goes to make the rich richer. I'd choose the option that employs more people myself. Not only do I believe it is better for society to have more people in work than on the dole or on disability but it is also far harder for them to escape taxation than someone who has an army of accountants setting up offshore accounts and legions of subsidiaries. Even worse though is to have private companies working with public money because they'll waste it under the correct assumption that the government will be there to bail them out with more.

even karl marx didnt believe in work for all...socialism doesnt work 70+_ years of the USSR and 100million lives proved it didnt

 

[tommyducks]

How did I know this thread would degenerate into absurd claims that the private sector pays for the public sector as if every public sector job would not exist if everyone was to be employed by the private sector. Would we opt for the American highly cost-effective solution to health care? That hugely profitable industry with small numbers of executives whose shares are worth billions on the back of illness. Some people may argue that's an extreme example - after all most people in this country do genuinely want the NHS, but any industry or company in the private sector will pursue higher profit for themselves and their shareholders. True, they may well may make things more efficient and get rid of employees who are surplus to requirements in pursuit of it but will that money go back in your pocket? Fuck no. It goes to make the rich richer. I'd choose the option that employs more people myself. Not only do I believe it is better for society to have more people in work than on the dole or on disability but it is also far harder for them to escape taxation than someone who has an army of accountants setting up offshore accounts and legions of subsidiaries. Even worse though is to have private companies working with public money because they'll waste it under the correct assumption that the government will be there to bail them out with more.

Amen

 

[lloydie]

this is not aimed at you so dont take it personally


if we cant afford to pay a public sector worker say 25k per annum..and his paye and NI another 8k perannum...and his costs, office, telephone , pension contributions, electiricity, holidays, sick pay, etc..all adds upto another 14k pa...

so to employ that ONe person it costs the tax payer nearly 50k pa......now add his manager, and his team ...so all of a sudden we have a costs of millions for a set of people who provide would could be a non essential service...say gay and lesbian liason welfare and support officer...etc..


an idea would be , take your years redundancy , and instead of sitting watching Jeremy kyle and moaning about what was...see it as an investment fund to start your own business...employ other people , contribute to the nations tax fund..and start afresh in the real world ...ratehr than 20years that behind you....

Enjoying a blues misery are you? Why don't you f*ck off and do some work in your oh so efficient private sector, does your employer know your wasting his money? I'm glad your club is up shit street pandering to the american model of business, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I really hope this doesn't degenerate into another slagging session. Anybody disagree with the following? :-

1). Benefits are there to help the needy, not become a lifestyle choice

2). Everyone able to work should work and contribute in however small a way as this gives a sense of purpose.

3). The Public Sector exists to supply support services to the population as a whole. It does not need to exist in it's own right. It has no remit to decide how we live our lives or make decisions for us - we elect politicians to do this for us and they are removeable.

4). We have a Country that spends more than it earns and therefore spending in all areas should be examined and savings made.

5). Taxation should be fair and equitable to all. If you earn good money through your own endeavours then you are entitled to keep a good proportion and should not pay more as a percentage than the average worker. Similarly, lower paid workers should have greater tax free allowances.

6). Anyone caught cheating on their taxes or claiming benefits fraudulently should suffer severe penalties. They are both stealing from the rest of us.


Feel free to have a pop (preferably constructive)

 

[tommyducks]

this is not aimed at you so dont take it personally


if we cant afford to pay a public sector worker say 25k per annum..and his paye and NI another 8k perannum...and his costs, office, telephone , pension contributions, electiricity, holidays, sick pay, etc..all adds upto another 14k pa...

so to employ that ONe person it costs the tax payer nearly 50k pa......now add his manager, and his team ...so all of a sudden we have a costs of millions for a set of people who provide would could be a non essential service...say gay and lesbian liason welfare and support officer...etc..


an idea would be , take your years redundancy , and instead of sitting watching Jeremy kyle and moaning about what was...see it as an investment fund to start your own business...employ other people , contribute to the nations tax fund..and start afresh in the real world ...ratehr than 20years that behind you....

Enjoying a blues misery are you? Why don't you f*ck off and do some work in your oh so efficient private sector, does your employer know your wasting his money? I'm glad your club is up shit street pandering to the american model of business, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

Thanks pal. This tosser has been banned twice and I'm working on the third.

 

[Skashion]

even karl marx didnt believe in work for all...socialism doesnt work 70+_ years of the USSR and 100million lives proved it didnt

I see you're familiar with the straw man argument. :)

 

[tommyducks]

2). Everyone able to work should work and contribute in however small a way as this gives a sense of purpose.


Feel free to have a pop (preferably constructive)

Forgive me for singling out this point. I have been very happy working and would gladly continue to do so - rather than becoming your problem.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

2). Everyone able to work should work and contribute in however small a way as this gives a sense of purpose.


Feel free to have a pop (preferably constructive)

Forgive me for singling out this point. I have been very happy working and would gladly continue to do so - rather than becoming your problem.

I understand that Tommy, it was becoming a bit of a long post so I sort of shortened it and maybe didn't make my point clear which is that there are now some families where complete generations have never worked and some families with disabled members who should be encouraged to work not just for the money but for the self-worth it can generate. I meant it in a positive way.

 

[lloydie]

Enjoying a blues misery are you? Why don't you f*ck off and do some work in your oh so efficient private sector, does your employer know your wasting his money? I'm glad your club is up shit street pandering to the american model of business, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

Thanks pal. This tosser has been banned twice and I'm working on the third.

No worries TD, you have my sympathy and best wishes, it's rough in the job market at the moment.
I'd love to find out who his employers are (mods, can this be found from his IP address ???) then tell them to have a look at his posting history on here, just the amount of their time and resources he wastes here winding blues up, never mind his other, no doubt scummy, internet activities would surely lead to at least one more job vacancy for a decent human being.