Tory bastards

[barney10]

I'm sorry to hear this mate but 1 years salary? If you are not in the public sector you get 1 week for every year you have worked for the company under 40 and 1.5 above 40. This is why this country is in debt if the public sector pay offs are that generous.

My mate just got made redundant the other week. He's 45. 15 years service. Came out with 20 weeks pay off. No early pension. In the private sector you would have got similar.

This - of course sad for the individual - but the Labour government's need to keep civil service unions onside and buy votes that way have left the country on the edge of bankruptcy - now another government has to the dirty work that those gutless clowns did not have the balls to do

Please remind me over exactly where the Labour Goverment fell over its self to placate the Unions?
Struggling to remember. Public sector Unions have consistently protested over derisory pay offers but fell short of any real industrial action. We have been subjected to real term pay cuts through job evaluation yet we have accepted this and to add insult they are promoting the myth that we are all going to walk off into the sunset with gold plated pension pay offs!
Don't believe the hype.

 

[stonerblue]

'Kin hell. a years salary and a private pension?

Get yourself another job soon and you're laughin'

 

[oneyeartillheaven]

So you have 12months to find a job and the tories are even going to pay you for a year to look for one.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

I hate any politician no matter which party they pull on their boots for. I'm also gutted for you that you lost your job.

But, you've got to look on the bright side; and your scenario has much more brightness to it than many many others who have been made redundant after putting in twice as many years of service as you at their respective employers who would be lucky to recieve half the severance pay and contributions that you will be receiving.

I know that if my company offered me 12 months pay for redundancy I'd snap their hands off and use the time to find something else and use the money to pay off any outstanding bills, etc. Hopefully you can get yourself a job pronto and this could then seem like the best thing that happened to you.

Good luck.

 

[brand blue heavies]

I hate any politician no matter which party they pull on their boots for. I'm also gutted for you that you lost your job.

But, you've got to look on the bright side; and your scenario has much more brightness to it than many many others who have been made redundant after putting in twice as many years of service as you at their respective employers who would be lucky to recieve half the severance pay and contributions that you will be receiving.

I know that if my company offered me 12 months pay for redundancy I'd snap their hands off and use the time to find something else and use the money to pay off any outstanding bills, etc. Hopefully you can get yourself a job pronto and this could then seem like the best thing that happened to you.

Good luck.

This ....although the title thread could have easily have been 'Labour' bastards as it would have happened with them still in charge to. I lost two staff to redundancy last year..they got the minimum pay out.Its a pisser but you pick yourself up,dust yorself down and get going again.
Good luck but dont blame this on the tories.

 

[BrianW]

I love the concept that 'everyone should work.' In order to achieve this, you have to have a socialist state.

Capitalism needs a pool of unemployed workers even, perhaps especially, when times are good. It keeps pay rates down and so reduces inflation. In the 1950s when there was near full employment, the bosses moaned like buggery - hence the encouragement of mass immigration. (Note, the clever capitalists weren't clever enough to think up more efficient ways of working as an alternative.)

It is wrong, wrong, wrong to pick on the unemployed and make scapegoats of them, especially during a recession, as they are an essential part of the capitalist machine.

I say good luck to anyone and everyone who needs a job and is willing to work. There is a big queue in front of you right now.

 

[Bojinov The Bull]

Sorry to hear about you losing your job but i'm sick to death of all the labour boys blaming the torys for the cuts! Its ridiculous really, THEY are the ones who made the mess the torys are unfortunate that they have to come in and clear it all up! So they are obviously going to be the bad guys but there is no other option!

No doubt when the next election comes along and the torys have got the country back on track, the labour party will be offering money for nothing like they did before and everyone will go out and vote for them so they get it! Then the whole cycle will start allll over again!

 

[bluetom]

OP I feel sorry for you.

I am sick and tired of hearing people who eat up all this bullshit about the cuts being necessary and inevitable and that spending is completely out of hand - its not true. I do not support Labour - they would have introduced the same cuts - they can just conveniently oppose cuts now their not in power.

First, public spending over the past 15 years was not really out of control comparatively, public spending is about the same as it was in last recession in the 1990s, and as a proportion of GDP has been much lower in the past 10 years than it was in the 60s and early 70s. Whilst i dont think they did it all that well, the spending increased under Labour because we needed investment in our public services which were completely ruined due to Conservative underinvestment. Schools and health care eg are a lot better and it needed spending.

People also complain that public sector workers are paid too much, and i think this is true to some extent - big bosses etc, but in reality this is relative to falling private sector wages and the transfer of low paid jobs into the private sector - wage disparity in the private sector is massive, whilst wages in the public sector have grown proportionately with public sector growth over the past few decades.

Britain is also one of the most investment friendly countries, compared with other countries our tax rates are well below average and our public sector spending is considered necessary by investors for the infrastructure of private investment.

Compared to other countries we've got a small public sector - we spend like 8% of GDP on health care!!

 

[tommyducks]

i'm not sure why you are so surprised

the north has and always will be fucked over by the tory's

(i take it your northern tommyducks)

Errr, Aphex you dope! He works in Sussex lol

Yes but I'm Northern and from Harpurhey.<br /><br />-- Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:11 pm --<br /><br />

yeah but you live in a tree house at the highest point of the world

the taxman is far to fat and unfit to knock on your door...

Fair points, however I was talking about when I lived in the UK. Of course the OP could always move here, there is an apartment going for rent a couple of floors above and $100 a month cheaper than mine!

I'm avin it. PM me details please!!!

 

[BTH]

OP I feel sorry for you.

I am sick and tired of hearing people who eat up all this bullshit about the cuts being necessary and inevitable and that spending is completely out of hand - its not true. I do not support Labour - they would have introduced the same cuts - they can just conveniently oppose cuts now their not in power.

First, public spending over the past 15 years was not really out of control comparatively, public spending is about the same as it was in last recession in the 1990s, and as a proportion of GDP has been much lower in the past 10 years than it was in the 60s and early 70s. Whilst i dont think they did it all that well, the spending increased under Labour because we needed investment in our public services which were completely ruined due to Conservative underinvestment. Schools and health care eg are a lot better and it needed spending.

People also complain that public sector workers are paid too much, and i think this is true to some extent - big bosses etc, but in reality this is relative to falling private sector wages and the transfer of low paid jobs into the private sector - wage disparity in the private sector is massive, whilst wages in the public sector have grown proportionately with public sector growth over the past few decades.

Britain is also one of the most investment friendly countries, compared with other countries our tax rates are well below average and our public sector spending is considered necessary by investors for the infrastructure of private investment.

Compared to other countries we've got a small public sector - we spend like 8% of GDP on health care!!

And you'd started off so well too!

Just what do you base this theory on seeing as you only think this is true? Something you read in the Daily Mail perhaps?

You then go on to mention 'big bosses' so I assume you think big bosses in the public sector earn big money. Yes, they do, but most of the rank and file don't. I work in the public sector and, like most of my colleagues, I earn less than the average national wage. Big bosses - or chief officers - earn considerably more admittedly, but the received wisdom is that they could probably earn more doing a comparable job in the private sector.

Unlike the private sector, however, I don't know of any public sector workers who've ever had a productivity or Christmas bonus, won a free holiday or been given a company car - factors that are conveniently overlooked in the public versus private sector debate that Lord Snooty and his pals have been so keen to prolong ever since they effectively declared war on the public sector.

As for your assertion that "wages in the public sector have grown proportionately with public sector growth over the past few decades," again, where does this information come from and - more to the point - what exactly does it mean?

I can assure you that the fact that we haven't had a pay rise in line with inflation, never mind above it, in years, together with initiatives like Single Status/Job Evaluation have ensured that the vast majority of public servants haven't had a wage rise in real terms for years.

 

[bluetom]

And you'd started off so well too!

Just what do you base this theory on seeing as you only think this is true? Something you read in the Daily Mail perhaps?

You then go on to mention 'big bosses' so I assume you think big bosses in the public sector earn big money. Yes, they do, but most of the rank and file don't. I work in the public sector and, like most of my colleagues, I earn less than the average national wage. Big bosses - or chief officers - earn considerably more admittedly, but the received wisdom is that they could probably earn more doing a comparable job in the private sector.

Unlike the private sector, however, I don't know of any public sector workers who've ever had a productivity or Christmas bonus, won a free holiday or been given a company car - factors that are conveniently overlooked in the public versus private sector debate that Lord Snooty and his pals have been so keen to prolong ever since they effectively declared war on the public sector.

As for your assertion that "wages in the public sector have grown proportionately with public sector growth over the past few decades," again, where does this information come from and - more to the point - what exactly does it mean?

I can assure you that the fact that we haven't had a pay rise in line with inflation, never mind above it, in years, together with initiatives like Single Status/Job Evaluation have ensured that the vast majority of public servants haven't had a wage rise in real terms for years.

Sorry mate, I think you've completely misunderstood what I was saying! Maybe I put it across badly. I think we're on the same side here!!

What I mean is whilst people think we spend loads and loads on the public sector we dont atall, the rank and file dont get paid anything especially when you consider the quality of welfare we have- compared to France, Italy, Austria, Belgium we spend alot less on the public sector. This is true, my source is not the Daily Mail - check the OECD World Factbook 2010 - it compares public spending in OECD countries.

The Tory government say we've got this huge debt crisis the "worst in the world" when we don't if you look at statistics comparing our debt (as percentage of GDP) to USA, Italy, France, Japan, Canada, Germany (the G7) - we have the lowest debt as a proportion of GDP. (Source: IMF)

What Im trying to say is that the Tories are massively exaggerating the amounts spent on the public sector and the amount of debt we're in, in order to justify cuts in the public sector - which actually are not "necessary" nor "inevitable". What pisses me off is that people eat it up and repeat it on threads like this, and its just bullshit.

The attack on the public sector is ideological, if it were an ounce meaningful and necessary there would be cuts in more profitable places first - we could raise billions a year taxing unused houses, we could raise billions a year closing tax loopholes, we could raise billions a year taxing financial transactions - not to mention the 80billion Trident costs. Attacking peoples jobs, livelihoods and communities is not the only option. (Lots of sources!)

 

[BTH]

And you'd started off so well too!

Just what do you base this theory on seeing as you only think this is true? Something you read in the Daily Mail perhaps?

You then go on to mention 'big bosses' so I assume you think big bosses in the public sector earn big money. Yes, they do, but most of the rank and file don't. I work in the public sector and, like most of my colleagues, I earn less than the average national wage. Big bosses - or chief officers - earn considerably more admittedly, but the received wisdom is that they could probably earn more doing a comparable job in the private sector.

Unlike the private sector, however, I don't know of any public sector workers who've ever had a productivity or Christmas bonus, won a free holiday or been given a company car - factors that are conveniently overlooked in the public versus private sector debate that Lord Snooty and his pals have been so keen to prolong ever since they effectively declared war on the public sector.

As for your assertion that "wages in the public sector have grown proportionately with public sector growth over the past few decades," again, where does this information come from and - more to the point - what exactly does it mean?

I can assure you that the fact that we haven't had a pay rise in line with inflation, never mind above it, in years, together with initiatives like Single Status/Job Evaluation have ensured that the vast majority of public servants haven't had a wage rise in real terms for years.

Sorry mate, I think you've completely misunderstood what I was saying! Maybe I put it across badly. I think we're on the same side here!!

What I mean is whilst people think we spend loads and loads on the public sector we dont atall, the rank and file dont get paid anything especially when you consider the quality of welfare we have- compared to France, Italy, Austria, Belgium we spend alot less on the public sector. This is true, my source is not the Daily Mail - check the OECD World Factbook 2010 - it compares public spending in OECD countries.

The Tory government say we've got this huge debt crisis the "worst in the world" when we don't if you look at statistics comparing our debt (as percentage of GDP) to USA, Italy, France, Japan, Canada, Germany (the G7) - we have the lowest debt as a proportion of GDP. (Source: IMF)

What Im trying to say is that the Tories are massively exaggerating the amounts spent on the public sector and the amount of debt we're in, in order to justify cuts in the public sector - which actually are not "necessary" nor "inevitable". What pisses me off is that people eat it up and repeat it on threads like this, and its just bullshit.

The attack on the public sector is ideological, if it were an ounce meaningful and necessary there would be cuts in more profitable places first - we could raise billions a year taxing unused houses, we could raise billions a year closing tax loopholes, we could raise billions a year taxing financial transactions - not to mention the 80billion Trident costs. Attacking peoples jobs, livelihoods and communities is not the only option. (Lots of sources!)

Fair enough if I've misread your post. It wasn't too clear.

The point you've made is true though: we ALL need to bed on the same side while there's still something left to fight for. Next year's local elections are going to be huge.

 

[sweynforkbeard]

So the cuts begin. Twenty years doing a good job in the public sector, and it's out the door with a year's salary and an early pension. What these morons don't realise is that the private sector will also be crippled when the millions they put on the dole can't afford Christmas presents this year. May the tories rot in hell.

I'm really sorry to hear this. I'm sure you have a good support network of friends and family and best of luck in finding something else.

 

[Fame Monster]

Labour fucked up the finances.

The Tories want the country to run as a business, regardless of the people's well-being.

The previously unedited last line was a joke.

 

[goose72]

China is very prosperous and is contiuing to enhance thier reputation as a world superpower.
Cuba has the best education and NHS in the world.
Are they not socialist?

With that statement shows you have never ever been near Cuba or China

With that statement I assume you haven't either?

 

[bluevengence]

He will probably come back with "yes but there is no freedom of speech there and you cannot demostrate in public without being killed by the police".....................oh hang on