Tory party conference

[Rascal]

The notion that what you earn is yours is in my belief just wrong unless there was no state. If you want to live in a country with no state you can keep all you earn, but your chances of earning will be much reduced. But if you want to return to feudal times then i suppose its your right to think that.

What most people who think low taxation is the right thing fail to understand, is it is the state that facilitates your earning potential. As a reward for state provosion it quite rightly takes increasing incremements as earnings improve to help improve the potential for further earning.

Its a concept called society. As humans are social creatures, we cohabit in groups that provide for each other. In a good society those with the broadest shoulders can take the responsibilty for helping to provide for those less able. It defines us as human beings, it is that empathy towards others that marks us out as different and explains our success as a species.

In my opinion the less that people are willing to share in society, the more fragile it becomes, that doesnt just threaten the poorest but it threatens the wealthiest too

 

[SWP's back]

The tax brackets and thresholds are still wrong though Russ

 

[Skashion]

When people earn money, it’s their money. Not the government’s money: their money. Then, the government takes some of it away in tax. So, if we cut taxes, we’re not giving people money – we’re taking less of it away.

Let me tell you why I think this logic doesn't work. Listen to a libertarian pro-tax, or at least its existence, argument.

It all starts with the individual, the biological individual. The individual is autonomous, they can control their own body movements, and thus bear responsibility for their own actions. This is the underlying logic for equality under the law, being treated as individual and not being collectively responsible and liberty, people being able to pursue whatever lifestyle they want so long as it does not harm someone else and hence prevent them pursuing their lifestyle. However, it doesn't work when you get to economics. Sure, you've got to treat people as individuals so they have a chance to succeed or fail on their own. However, the problem is that money just doesn't go away when someone dies. It gets passed on, but the people who it gets passed to did nothing to earn that money. Right here the logic fails. The individual is no longer responsible for their own success. Moreover, a lot of the biggest companies in the world got there by exploiting the planet's natural resources. They don't own them, nobody does. No generation or nation has the right to practise generational tyranny or tyranny against human kind by monopolising resources for one nation alone. This money should be going towards creating equality of opportunity the world over. You may ask, well, why someone should extract these resources then. 1. International NGOs and charities might have a non-financial reason for doing so, or 2. We could, tax them, and it not be theft...

 

[Rascal]

The tax brackets and thresholds are still wrong though Russ

I agree, they are nowhere near right. But no Govt. has the balls to overhaul it and change taxation due to the fact they would lose there core vote.

I like the noises being made about taxes on wealth rather than income.

One area we are failing in though and thats taxes on online corporations

Facebook made £175m in the UK, it paid £238,000 in tax

Google made £395M in the UK, it paid £6m in tax

Amazon made £3.2 billion in the Uk, it paid ZERO tax.

 

[Mike D]

This about sums up Cameron speech perfectly http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/11/david-cameron-aspiration-nation

Warning if you are right wing cover over your eyes and don't read this link the truth hurts.

 

[Lucky Toma]

Haha in that case it may have slipped your attention that you promised to write something for the Cutter way back on page 6.

I'll try and conjure up some irreverent random gibberish for you if you like,although be prepared to receive an e-mailed copy of my shopping list,a takeaway menu,or a losing betting slip instead.

I see you've read the Cutter then :)

 

[Rascal]

This about sums up Cameron speech perfectly http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/11/david-cameron-aspiration-nation

Warning if you are right wing cover over your eyes and don't read this link the truth hurts.

Of the few, for the few, by the few

 

[Mike D]

This about sums up Cameron speech perfectly http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/11/david-cameron-aspiration-nation

Warning if you are right wing cover over your eyes and don't read this link the truth hurts.

Of the few, for the few, by the few

Phew glad it was you reading, I think SWP would have blown a gasket if he'd read that

 

[smudgedj]

This about sums up Cameron speech perfectly http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/11/david-cameron-aspiration-nation

Warning if you are right wing cover over your eyes and don't read this link the truth hurts.

Of the few, for the few, by the few

Phew glad it was you reading, I think SWP would have blown a gasket if he'd read that

He has read it, the reply is still going though the spell checker; brace yourself!

 

[SWP's back]

This about sums up Cameron speech perfectly http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/11/david-cameron-aspiration-nation

Warning if you are right wing cover over your eyes and don't read this link the truth hurts.

Of the few, for the few, by the few

Phew glad it was you reading, I think SWP would have blown a gasket if he'd read that

Read it and retorted with the Telegraph.

How was t'mill or t'mine today? Did you manage to wipe your fanny after making the thread about running off?