Towns & Cities that are F----d.

Kompany Car said:
Having lived in one of the nicer suburbs (Dore) until I moved a couple of yrs ago, I don’t disagree. The city centre was starting to pick up prior to Covid hitting, now it’s definitely getting worse again.
It is by no means the worst place even in South Yorkshire, Doncaster and Rotherham are both cities (believe it or not) and arguably a lot worse.
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must be posh!

page hall is a disgrace
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
I think the majority of us a working class lads and lasses. I don't like describing anywhere as a shithole. Most of what you mean are poor areas by wealth alone. Some of the best people in the world tend to come from such backgrounds. They just haven't had the head start that wealth affords those fortunate by birth. Middlesbrough probably breeds the toughest lads in England, along with Carlisle. The scousers got decimated by Thatcher but you can't go anywhere without seeing the adventurous spirit they possess like the Irish. Don't knock these areas, we are all the same, just trying to make our way in the world. As Mancunians I think we are fortunate that we have had a wealth of talent musically and so sometimes can look down on those who don't really deserve it.
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I know this is a light hearted thread. But this is a good serious interlude.

People are more or less compiling a list of the poorest, most deprived areas in the country.
 
City Hobgoblin said:
It's worse now.
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The world is changing, sadly not for the better. Are we headed for a dystopian future ? towns and cities are changing.
Lawlessness seems to be getting worse and worse, us FOC's can remember 50 years ago when things were a lot safer.

The Governments are investing less in Policing, some councils are run by very Woke councils (Vancouver) who don't believe in strong policing. So now the streets are full of people living in tents (which is actually illegal) crapping & pissing everywhere. The police don't intervene.
Police now won't attend a lot of crimes whereas once they would. I got kicked up the arse by a cop when I was about 12, and told "behave or you'll get much worse" you were scared of them in the 60s, afraid to swear at them.
They're scared of doing that now. Their hands are tied in many ways. Magistrates and Judges try not to give a prison sentence even for violent crimes, and a cop can easily end up in strife.

Then there's the drug problem. Much bigger that when I was young, leading to all kinds of shit, gangs, dealers etc.
Knife crime is rife in the UK, it never used to be when I was young.
It's just getting worse and worse, seemingly everywhere. Police forces are shrinking, (personally I can't think of a worse job). I have a mate in Pennsylvania who is a cop and has told me about shoot outs with drug dealers, can you imagine going to work and being in a shoot out at 1 am, you wouldn't know if you were going home next day.
I just can't see things changing for the better, only for the worse.
 
manimanc said:
This place is the perfect example of dogshit rolled in glitter.

It's minging, was great in the 80s but it's gone to the dogs now. Or maybe I've been that many times it just hasn't got that pull anymore.

Proper rough.
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I think that’s why they have the illuminations. To distract everyone from what a hole it is
 
Bill Walker said:
The world is changing, sadly not for the better. Are we headed for a dystopian future ? towns and cities are changing.
Lawlessness seems to be getting worse and worse, us FOC's can remember 50 years ago when things were a lot safer.

The Governments are investing less in Policing, some councils are run by very Woke councils (Vancouver) who don't believe in strong policing. So now the streets are full of people living in tents (which is actually illegal) crapping & pissing everywhere. The police don't intervene.
Police now won't attend a lot of crimes whereas once they would. I got kicked up the arse by a cop when I was about 12, and told "behave or you'll get much worse" you were scared of them in the 60s, afraid to swear at them.
They're scared of doing that now. Their hands are tied in many ways. Magistrates and Judges try not to give a prison sentence even for violent crimes, and a cop can easily end up in strife.

Then there's the drug problem. Much bigger that when I was young, leading to all kinds of shit, gangs, dealers etc.
Knife crime is rife in the UK, it never used to be when I was young.
It's just getting worse and worse, seemingly everywhere. Police forces are shrinking, (personally I can't think of a worse job). I have a mate in Pennsylvania who is a cop and has told me about shoot outs with drug dealers, can you imagine going to work and being in a shoot out at 1 am, you wouldn't know if you were going home next day.
I just can't see things changing for the better, only for the worse.
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My experience of living in the UK over the last 66 years is we are just as polite, friendly and courteous as ever.

I pass strangers on walks, they smile and say 'hello', and that's the way it is.

I'm not going to be stabbed or shot walking around on my daily activities. It just isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying crime in the UK doesn't happen, but trying to imply society in the UK is on the verge of breakdown is, frankly, ridiculous.

Yes, we have our problems just like every other country, but suggesting the UK is going to descend into a dystopian future is beyond reality.

Politics apart, the UK is just as nice a place to live as it was when I was a kid in the 60's,

Don't believe what you read in the papers or see on TV about the UK. We are still polite and respectful people that say please and thank you when it matters,
 
NPBlue said:
My experience of living in the UK over the last 66 years is we are just as polite, friendly and courteous as ever.

I pass strangers on walks, they smile and say 'hello', and that's the way it is.

I'm not going to be stabbed or shot walking around on my daily activities. It just isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying crime in the UK doesn't happen, but trying to imply society in the UK is on the verge of breakdown is, frankly, ridiculous.

Yes, we have our problems just like every other country, but suggesting the UK is going to descend into a dystopian future is beyond reality.

Politics apart, the UK is just as nice a place to live as it was when I was a kid in the 60's,

Don't believe what you read in the papers or see on TV about the UK. We are still polite and respectful people that say please and thank you when it matters,
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I wasn't specifically talking about the UK. More generally the western world.
I'm sure people in the UK are polite and respectful but you can't deny that knife crime, gangs and drugs crime is massive issue in the UK ? Will the police send a car out if you're mugged in Piccadilly gardens or Misery Square in Stockport or your house is robbed ?

www.independent.co.uk

Knife crime rises to new record of 44,000 offences in England and Wales

Calls for urgent action to stop ‘spiral of violence’ as increase continues despite new government strategy
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
Police recorded more than 44,000 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument in the 12 months to June, up 7 per cent on the previous year.

Every country has these same growing issues. Cities throughout the west imo are becoming more dangerous after dark than they ever were and police have less and less resources. Look at what's just gone on in Paris, complete lawlessness.
 
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manimanc said:
This place is the perfect example of dogshit rolled in glitter.

It's minging, was great in the 80s but it's gone to the dogs now. Or maybe I've been that many times it just hasn't got that pull anymore.

Proper rough.
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I was once staying with someone in Lytham St Annes — someone I didn’t know very well, a friend of my mother’s — and I casually said “Well, you’re more or less Blackpool here, aren’t you?”.
Outrage! I was quite lucky I didn’t get invited to leave on the spot…

:-)
 
NPBlue said:
I'm not going to be stabbed or shot walking around on my daily activities. It just isn't going to happen.
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That won’t happen to you in the States, either, frankly, if you avoid the roughest areas.
As for people who are completely out of their mind on drugs, that is completely random, and can happen almost anywhere.
Only place I’ve ever been (sort of) attacked was near Maine Road, walking down Yew Tree Rd, minding my own sweet business. It was rags of course. Wasn’t even a derby day. Even then, it was handbags at five paces, really.
Fuckers…

My judgement on Luton (re. an earlier post) has nothing to do with the class demographic of it. I have no idea whether it’s working class, middle class or what. It’s just a mess of a town. Singularly lacking in charm. But there must be nice people in Luton, and some nice areas. There are everywhere.

But districts can go up or down surprisingly quickly. Thirty years back, King’s Cross in London was a pit of a place. A distinctly edgy feel to it. It’s been radically renovated, and to my mind there’s no sense of that whatsoever now.
 
Bill Walker said:
I like watching this guys videos.
This one he visits Gary, Indiana. Where the Jacksons grew up (he visits their house)
Gary really is fucked, wouldn't fancy living there but houses are dirt cheap (free even) if you fancy it.

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Notoriously bad. And the winters are even more absolutely fucking horrible there!
 
East Level 2 said:
It's OK if you just want some sea air and a walk along the prom, prom, prom, or are thinking about the surrounding areas. However the grim underbelly of the town centre is mega-grim.
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Blackpool is the same.
 
Just watched another one.. East St Louis... they can't even afford to demolish the Spivey building. It's intriguing that the US is by far the most powerful superpower on Earth, it has the mega expensive NASA, it has given over 80 billion in aid to Ukraine and yet this town can't afford to demolish a 12 storey building. So there it stands !!

The Spivey Building
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Radcliffe. (Needs the Luftwaffe back and a restart from scratch.)

Bacup. (Ideal location for Internal Exile for all Tories after the Revolution. Makes Siberia look like Las Vegas.)

Holyhead. (Welsh Bacup with a harbour.)

Rhyl. (Where the Liverpool magistrates send the Scousers that not even Scousers can tolerate.)

Merthyr Tydfil. Defies my power of description. You have to see it for yourself, and having seen it you will never want to return.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Notoriously bad. And the winters are even more absolutely fucking horrible there!
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Bill Walker said:
Not far from you mate, you could buy a very cheap house in Gary !
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When I looked at the estate agent sites (or realtors), and thought, for a nanosecond, now could I live in the U.S.?, there were photos where you could see the towers of downtown Chicago clearly from Gary. It didn't seem that far away, although I'm sure it's like living on another continent.
There is a classy area of Gary, forget the name, that's leafy, clean and relatively crime free, apparently. It looks over the lake, from the south. Obviously, property prices go up accordingly.

America's a very odd place, in that there were towns that simply sprang up like mushrooms, almost overnight, and depended entirely on one industry, sometimes one company. Obviously, I'm aware that there are mining towns like that in England and Wales that have been left high and dry. Buffalo's house prices have fallen through the floor. Somebody from there explained it to me. Buffalo was the railhead for traffic coming off the huge barges crossing the Great Lakes. That was its purpose, pretty much. The goods would then be taken down to New York and the great seaports of the eastern seaboard, for export to the world. When the Saint Lawrence Seaway was created — a gigantic and hugely impressive engineering job which is a story in itself — the ground was simply cut from Buffalo's feet. People carried on living there, but which not much reason other than the fact that, well, they'd always been there.
 
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