Trade Union membership

[hilts]

Yes Unions have to be pragmatic but in the wider political sphere Unions have there part to play and it would be in line with our interests to challenge ideological attacks by the right and we shouldn't be ashamed of doing so.

there in lies the problem left versus right, bosses versus union, none willing to budge, adapt accept that sometimes there wrong

in my opnion unions should have nothing to do with politics though

 

[barney10]

Yes Unions have to be pragmatic but in the wider political sphere Unions have there part to play and it would be in line with our interests to challenge ideological attacks by the right and we shouldn't be ashamed of doing so.

there in lies the problem left versus right, bosses versus union, none willing to budge, adapt accept that sometimes there wrong

in my opinion unions should have nothing to do with politics though

Sorry to tell you but all things in life are political. The Trade Union movement founded the Labour Party and we like any other industrial organisation for example the CBI have ever right to bring ours members interest to bear on the decision making process.
It's a shame that when we do it were lambasted for it, where as when Big Business lobby's Government it's seen as fair and proper ?

 

[hilts]

there in lies the problem left versus right, bosses versus union, none willing to budge, adapt accept that sometimes there wrong

in my opinion unions should have nothing to do with politics though

Sorry to tell you but all things in life are political. The Trade Union movement founded the Labour Party and we like any other industrial organisation for example the CBI have ever right to bring ours members interest to bear on the decision making process.
It's a shame that when we do it were lambasted for it, where as when Big Business lobby's Government it's seen as fair and proper ?

two wrongs dont make a right, if we are ever to have a fair political system(never happen) outside organisations shouldnt have a say or contribute to any political party, if you want to donate or elect a party official join the party and vote, unions should have no say in the running of the labour party

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

there in lies the problem left versus right, bosses versus union, none willing to budge, adapt accept that sometimes there wrong

in my opinion unions should have nothing to do with politics though

Sorry to tell you but all things in life are political. The Trade Union movement founded the Labour Party and we like any other industrial organisation for example the CBI have ever right to bring ours members interest to bear on the decision making process.
It's a shame that when we do it were lambasted for it, where as when Big Business lobby's Government it's seen as fair and proper ?

Wo there barney, baring quoting the labour party, i am growing to like you and your attitude. If you can filter that down to your local reps then i think there could be a meaningful future for unions, especially if you can replace to 'socialist revolutionists' i usually come across.

 

[barney10]

You would have to have the sort of arrangements that exist in Denmark where there is a tradition of social democracy.
Whilst busness and and the Torys are so closely linked why shouldn't Labour have a industrial wing to the party?

 

[lloydie]

Sorry to tell you but all things in life are political. The Trade Union movement founded the Labour Party and we like any other industrial organisation for example the CBI have ever right to bring ours members interest to bear on the decision making process.
It's a shame that when we do it were lambasted for it, where as when Big Business lobby's Government it's seen as fair and proper ?

two wrongs dont make a right, if we are ever to have a fair political system(never happen) outside organisations shouldnt have a say or contribute to any political party, if you want to donate or elect a party official join the party and vote, unions should have no say in the running of the labour party

In which case, do you think that MP's should be debarred from holding directorships, or having outside business interests?

 

[hilts]

You would have to have the sort of arrangements that exist in Denmark where there is a tradition of social democracy.
Whilst busness and and the Torys are so closely linked why shouldn't Labour have a industrial wing to the party?

the ideal system would be that elections and running of a party should be public funded with a maximum figure allowed, any politician or party receiving donations from an outside source should be prosecuted

 

[barney10]

You would have to have the sort of arrangements that exist in Denmark where there is a tradition of social democracy.
Whilst busness and and the Torys are so closely linked why shouldn't Labour have a industrial wing to the party?

the ideal system would be that elections and running of a party should be public funded with a maximum figure allowed, any politician or party receiving donations from an outside source should be prosecuted

Fair enough but we don't operate under a system that's fair. Blair's Labour were as guilty as any Tory administration of pandering to multi nationals hopefully that will change should Labour get back into government.
The system is loaded in favour of employers in Britain so i don't think it's too much to ask that at least one political party listens to the concerns of working people.<br /><br />-- Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:19 am --<br /><br />

Sorry to tell you but all things in life are political. The Trade Union movement founded the Labour Party and we like any other industrial organisation for example the CBI have ever right to bring ours members interest to bear on the decision making process.
It's a shame that when we do it were lambasted for it, where as when Big Business lobby's Government it's seen as fair and proper ?

Wo there barney, baring quoting the labour party, i am growing to like you and your attitude. If you can filter that down to your local reps then i think there could be a meaningful future for unions, especially if you can replace to 'socialist revolutionists' i usually come across.

Ta Flip Flop, got to be honest I'm a bit of a socialist revolutionary at heart. Come on brother join with us !

 

[hilts]

the ideal system would be that elections and running of a party should be public funded with a maximum figure allowed, any politician or party receiving donations from an outside source should be prosecuted

Fair enough but we don't operate under a system that's fair. Blair's Labour were as guilty as any Tory administration of pandering to multi nationals hopefully that will change should Labour get back into government.
The system is loaded in favour of employers in Britain so i don't think it's too much to ask that at least one political party listens to the concerns of working people.

-- Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:19 am --

Wo there barney, baring quoting the labour party, i am growing to like you and your attitude. If you can filter that down to your local reps then i think there could be a meaningful future for unions, especially if you can replace to 'socialist revolutionists' i usually come across.

Ta Flip Flop, got to be honest I'm a bit of a socialist revolutionary at heart. Come on brother join with us !

the working people have a vote if labour stood for hard working people then those people could vote for them

as a socialist revolutionary im afraid your only going to be dissappointed, its on its knees

 

[law74]

Im another that is in full3 support of Trade Union membership, though as a branch Rep and a former Departmental Whitley member I would be lol.
I know of many things that management tried to bring in that would have been to the detriment of our members that we managed to water down or stop completely, I have also represented members at disciplinery hearings and ensured that the proper proceedures were adhered to, and in the last year we have completed an equal pay settlement that has gained a large amount of our members pay rises of £2,000+ per annum and back pay of up to £14,000, enough to pay their membership subs for many a year.
Each branch of our union has to have a union learning rep, with a wide and varied range of lifetime skills training available.
At the moment with the economy in ruins due to the capatilist bankers, trade unions are more important than in many years, and hopefully after the leadership campaign, Labour can return to its traditional Core values, and not the right wing dross of b.liars spin.