traveling at light speed

CTID1974 said:
roaminblue said:
CTID1974 said:
i don't get this shit me,

your hearts good for a certain numbers of beats as such yeah, as is everybody elses. an internal clock so to speak, and regardless of what speed your travelling, everyones beats the same and you'll probably die around the same time you would've done if you'd of not travelled.

so surely travelling at the speed of light will do nothing other than just get you somewhere quicker than say using the bus ? ;)

time waits for no man

time is not linear, and nor can it really be seperated from what we call "space" .
an increase in gravitational field changes the path in which light travels, it basically distorts the space increasing the "distance" that the light will have to travel.

We both start stop watches at the same time, you stay here, me and my stop watching shoot off at the speed of light and i return after a period of time,
the stopwatches would read the same time still though wouldn't they ?
and i've of just been whizzing about a long way away

isn't this just theoretical bullshit ?
No it's not theoretical bullshit. The faster you go, the bigger the difference between the two stopwatches.

This was proven by NASA who used the SR-71 Blackbird aircraft to measure the effects of time travel and relativity. Using highly accurate atomic clocks, one onboard the aircraft and one on the ground, NASA was able to measure the different times on the clocks when the aircraft landed - proving that time does indeed slow down at extremely high speeds. At those sorts of speeds though, you would only be talking about a few trillionths of a second difference.
 
CTID1974 said:
wireblue said:
CTID1974 said:
We both start stop watches at the same time, you stay here, me and my stop watching shoot off at the speed of light and i return after a period of time,
the stopwatches would read the same time still though wouldn't they ?
and i've of just been whizzing about a long way away

isn't this just theoretical bullshit ?

Your stop watch on the spaceship would tick over at exactly the same rate as the stop watch on earth. Within your spaceship time would appear to be happening at exactly the same rate - so five minutes on your stop watch would feel exactly the same as 5 minutes on the stop watch on earth. You don’t start running round like a benny hill sketch!
However the two stop watches relative to each other would be different

thats the bit i can't get my head round :|

further reading required, several years worth it would seem

anyone got a time machine ? haha

I'm not a scientist in any way shape or form. I was just really interested in it and read up a bit. Obviously I don't "understand it" but i do have a grasp of the concepts behind it
 
At the end of Superman the movie, he speeds round the earth faster than the speed of light to turn back time so that he can undo the tragedy that befell Lois.

We perceive our world through our senses. In theory if you travel faster than light you would be able to arrive at the source of an image before it has happened in the perceivers eyes.
 
Does this have any bearing on the Thundercats?

As I remember Lion-O aged during his suspended animation, I believe as his capsule only slowed down the ageing process, not stopped it as it did with the others, is this relative to the thread?

Oh, and Jaga piloted the ship and didn't enter a "sleep capsule" so was dead (old age) before the others "woke up".

I think I understand now.
 
CTID1974 said:
wireblue said:
CTID1974 said:
We both start stop watches at the same time, you stay here, me and my stop watching shoot off at the speed of light and i return after a period of time,
the stopwatches would read the same time still though wouldn't they ?
and i've of just been whizzing about a long way away

isn't this just theoretical bullshit ?

Your stop watch on the spaceship would tick over at exactly the same rate as the stop watch on earth. Within your spaceship time would appear to be happening at exactly the same rate - so five minutes on your stop watch would feel exactly the same as 5 minutes on the stop watch on earth. You don’t start running round like a benny hill sketch!
However the two stop watches relative to each other would be different

thats the bit i can't get my head round :|

further reading required, several years worth it would seem

anyone got a time machine ? haha

There's a reason you can't get your head around it and that's because it's not supposed to make sense. Physics isn't designed in such a way as to be nice and easy for human beings to comprehend. It is what it is, and some of it is extremely anti-intuitive.

The only way to understand these things and to come to conclusions like the one relating to the stopwatches above is simply to do the mathematics and thought experiments behind them.

I'm just saying this because there is more than one person on this thread saying something along the lines of "I must be a bit thick because it doesn't make sense to me," and that's not true at all. The fact you don't understand it is just a natural consequence of your daily experiences. We don't see things travelling at relativistic speed, so to the average person the whole thing will not make intuitive sense.

On another tangent, it is important to note that it's not just when travelling at relativistic speeds that you 'travel through time' so to speak. It happens for every single journey you do, it just only becomes noticeable when you get up to extremely high velocity. Somebody used the example before of something like "if I go to Blackpool and back on a bus, would the kids have aged faster?" Yes, they would have, just not a great deal. If you're in a pub with your identical twin and you leave him to get a round in, then when you get back, your identical twin would be older than you.

We are talking such negligible amounts of time, though, that you wouldn't recognise any such change, in fact even with our best clocks you probably wouldn't. It is only at these high speeds which you do.

It is important to realise, and this is a fundamental point. That 'time' is not a human invention, the way in which we measure time is a human invention, but time itself is very real and is what we call 'physical' (i.e. it happens). The time in these situations dilates because it has to for the speed of light to remain a constant to everybody no matter what speed they're travelling at ( this is the fundamental principle which guides special relativity).

Do we know 'why' the speed of light has to be the same to every observer? I certainly don't know, but it's a postulate proposed by Einstein, and it has been shown to work. The mathematics says this happens, and experiment says it does also. That's all there really is to it.
 
If it takes 8 minutes for light to reach us from the sun did that light "leave" the sun 8 minutes ago or earlier? I would've assumed 8 minutes ago and it took 8 minutes to reach us but now I question if that is correct given everything said in this thread.<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:48 pm --<br /><br />
SkyBlueFlux said:
CTID1974 said:
wireblue said:
Your stop watch on the spaceship would tick over at exactly the same rate as the stop watch on earth. Within your spaceship time would appear to be happening at exactly the same rate - so five minutes on your stop watch would feel exactly the same as 5 minutes on the stop watch on earth. You don’t start running round like a benny hill sketch!
However the two stop watches relative to each other would be different

thats the bit i can't get my head round :|

further reading required, several years worth it would seem

anyone got a time machine ? haha

There's a reason you can't get your head around it and that's because it's not supposed to make sense. Physics isn't designed in such a way as to be nice and easy for human beings to comprehend. It is what it is, and some of it is extremely anti-intuitive.

The only way to understand these things and to come to conclusions like the one relating to the stopwatches above is simply to do the mathematics and thought experiments behind them.

I'm just saying this because there is more than one person on this thread saying something along the lines of "I must be a bit thick because it doesn't make sense to me," and that's not true at all. The fact you don't understand it is just a natural consequence of your daily experiences. We don't see things travelling at relativistic speed, so to the average person the whole thing will not make intuitive sense.

On another tangent, it is important to note that it's not just when travelling at relativistic speeds that you 'travel through time' so to speak. It happens for every single journey you do, it just only becomes noticeable when you get up to extremely high velocity. Somebody used the example before of something like "if I go to Blackpool and back on a bus, would the kids have aged faster?" Yes, they would have, just not a great deal. If you're in a pub with your identical twin and you leave him to get a round in, then when you get back, your identical twin would be older than you.

We are talking such negligible amounts of time, though, that you wouldn't recognise any such change, in fact even with our best clocks you probably wouldn't. It is only at these high speeds which you do.

It is important to realise, and this is a fundamental point. That 'time' is not a human invention, the way in which we measure time is a human invention, but time itself is very real and is what we call 'physical' (i.e. it happens). The time in these situations dilates because it has to for the speed of light to remain a constant to everybody no matter what speed they're travelling at ( this is the fundamental principle which guides special relativity).

Do we know 'why' the speed of light has to be the same to every observer? I certainly don't know, but it's a postulate proposed by Einstein, and it has been shown to work. The mathematics says this happens, and experiment says it does also. That's all there really is to it.

That's me mate...I know it must be true as enough people tell me so and there is enough evidence to support them but it's a real head fuck
 
metalblue said:
If it takes 8 minutes for light to reach us from the sun did that light "leave" the sun 8 minutes ago or earlier? I would've assumed 8 minutes ago and it took 8 minutes to reach us but now I question if that is correct given everything said in this thread.
Yes, that's right, time doesn't dilate itself. It's actually because the speed of light being constant for all observers which leads to the dilation. However, the journey is much longer than eight minutes in another way:
<a class="postlink" href="http://sunearthday.gsfc.nasa.gov/2007/locations/ttt_sunlight.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://sunearthday.gsfc.nasa.gov/2007/l ... nlight.php</a>
 
Skashion said:
metalblue said:
If it takes 8 minutes for light to reach us from the sun did that light "leave" the sun 8 minutes ago or earlier? I would've assumed 8 minutes ago and it took 8 minutes to reach us but now I question if that is correct given everything said in this thread.
Yes, that's right, time doesn't dilate itself. It's actually because the speed of light being constant for all observers which leads to the dilation. However, the journey is much longer than eight minutes in another way:
<a class="postlink" href="http://sunearthday.gsfc.nasa.gov/2007/locations/ttt_sunlight.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://sunearthday.gsfc.nasa.gov/2007/l ... nlight.php</a>

You'd have thought god would have made the sun a little less chaotic...
 

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