Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice

[Blue Haze]

We are bombing the Middle East to prevent Islamist fuckheads like ISIS from taking over. Do people really think we spent billions the last 15 years setting up global security operations to get our fun from bombing innocent men and women?

We are bombing them in response to their aggressive acts toward us and other innocent people around the world. If we stop bombing the monsters who coordinate these attacks, and those who fund ISIS operations, they will have free rein to operate with impunity.

 

[Machiavelli]

We are bombing the Middle East to prevent Islamist fuckheads like ISIS from taking over. Do people really think we spent billions the last 15 years setting up global security operations to get our fun from bombing innocent men and women?

We are bombing them in response to their aggressive acts toward us and other innocent people around the world. If we stop bombing the monsters who coordinate these attacks, and those who fund ISIS operations, they will have free rein to operate with impunity.

 

[Blue Haze]

Yes, because bombing prominent terrorists is something only a crazy American would want to do.

Your solution is what? To stop bombing a genocidal religious cult to see if maybe, just maybe they will be appeased. Weak and useless, just like the leftist governments that are falling all over Europe. How's Labour doing, by the way? You find a leader yet? What happened to those Liberal Democrats anyway? Don't hear much from them these days.

 

[BigOscar]

I didn't witness the Holocaust but it deeply affected me as about 250 members of my family lost their lives. But I don't go round murdering Germans.

To be fair, that's not exactly the same given that the Nazi's lost and are no longer a target. If the Nazi's were still in power and going around like they'd done nothing wrong then you might be a bit more inclined to go round murdering them. (not that I'm condoning it or saying you would, more just pointing out the difference from their perspective)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

To be fair, that's not exactly the same given that the Nazi's lost and are no longer a target. If the Nazi's were still in power and going around like they'd done nothing wrong then you might be a bit more inclined to go round murdering them. (not that I'm condoning it or saying you would, more just pointing out the difference from their perspective)

Well let's put it another way. We bombed the fuck out of Germany from 1942 to 1945 massacring tens of thousands of civilians yet they don't seem to hold it against us.

And it seems that this guy was just a bit of a disaffected nutter who happened to have been born a Muslim, similar to the loner weirdos in the USA who shoot loads of people and happen to have been born a Christian.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I very much doubt that many of the Islamic extremists have attempted peaceful negotiations and this is their last resort.
It seems far more likely this is their first and only resort.

I am sure that many nations have made some grave mistakes on foreign policy decisions, particularly (but not limited to) the Middle East - but Jihadists aren't saying 'please leave our country' they are saying 'you are infidels and should adopt our way of life or die'. They aren't holding up a banner to say 'leave us alone and we'll leave you alone', they fundamentally oppose our way of life, and we fundamentally oppose theirs.

For 99.99% of the rest of the world, we have differences, some of them fundamental, but we can live together - just. We don't want to kill.

An Islamic Jihadist is no different to a member of the KKK or extreme end of the Nazis (as loathsome as Nazis were, some were not in favour of extermination). They are extremists, and in this case of an Islamic bent. But they are extremists first and foremost. Extreme in view and in behaviour.

There's an argument to say they exist to find some cause, not because they have a cause. i.e. If it wasn't Islam, they'd be fighting for some other radical cause.

 

[FanchesterCity]

If there were no Black people in the USA, do you think the members of the KKK would just go about their lives normally? - I don't. I think they'd have found something else to hate.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yes, because bombing prominent terrorists is something only a crazy American would want to do.

Your solution is what? To stop bombing a genocidal religious cult to see if maybe, just maybe they will be appeased. Weak and useless, just like the leftist governments that are falling all over Europe. How's Labour doing, by the way? You find a leader yet? What happened to those Liberal Democrats anyway? Don't hear much from them these days.

No appeasement here, or bloodlust. Team America don't seem to have made the world a safer place with their bombs and foreign policy, it just lines the pockets of America's masters.
"Labour?" "You find a leader yet?" Ha bless, you think I vote Labour?
I'd guess you probably don't here much from them (Labour) these days because you're a yank thousands of miles away.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I very much doubt that many of the Islamic extremists have attempted peaceful negotiations and this is their last resort.
It seems far more likely this is their first and only resort.

I am sure that many nations have made some grave mistakes on foreign policy decisions, particularly (but not limited to) the Middle East - but Jihadists aren't saying 'please leave our country' they are saying 'you are infidels and should adopt our way of life or die'. They aren't holding up a banner to say 'leave us alone and we'll leave you alone', they fundamentally oppose our way of life, and we fundamentally oppose theirs.

For 99.99% of the rest of the world, we have differences, some of them fundamental, but we can live together - just. We don't want to kill.

An Islamic Jihadist is no different to a member of the KKK or extreme end of the Nazis (as loathsome as Nazis were, some were not in favour of extermination). They are extremists, and in this case of an Islamic bent. But they are extremists first and foremost. Extreme in view and in behaviour.

There's an argument to say they exist to find some cause, not because they have a cause. i.e. If it wasn't Islam, they'd be fighting for some other radical cause.

Excellent post. If Thatcher had banned football in the 1980's, the young, working-class lads who were football hooligans would have found something else to fight about.

 

[Blue Haze]

No appeasement here, or bloodlust. Team America don't seem to have made the world a safer place with their bombs and foreign policy, it just lines the pockets of America's masters.

Before ISIS I would have been saying the same thing. The Taliban seemed an anomaly to me. It wasn't until ISIS that it became obvious to me that without western intervention, much of the Islamic world would be ruled by something like ISIS. If not the Taliban or ISIS, it would be Muslim Brotherhood, Boko Haram or Al Shabaab.

There are apparently far worse things than western interventionists. In this case, due to the death toll and widespread human suffering, western intervention is completely justified. I 100% support the west in taking out terrorist training camps, funding centers, recruiters, and mosques that are used as bases. Even if those strikes risk innocent people. The Israelis turned out to be right all along.