Two jailed for death by dangerous driving

My wife's best friend was a passenger in a car being driven by her daughter. Her grandson was in the rear. They were hit head on by a car that was overtaking on a country lane on a bend. This was 4 years ago. The at fault driver was doing 101mph and had only passed her test the day before.
My wife's friend was in a coma for months and has only recently started to walk again. The grandson had severe spinal injuries and now has serious learning difficulties. The driver of the car she was in was perfectly fine. None of the 3 people in the vehicle responsible for the crash were injured whatsoever.
The girl who was driving got banned from driving for 2 years.
 
richardtheref said:
My wife's best friend was a passenger in a car being driven by her daughter. Her grandson was in the rear. They were hit head on by a car that was overtaking on a country lane on a bend. This was 4 years ago. The at fault driver was doing 101mph and had only passed her test the day before.
My wife's friend was in a coma for months and has only recently started to walk again. The grandson had severe spinal injuries and now has serious learning difficulties. The driver of the car she was in was perfectly fine. None of the 3 people in the vehicle responsible for the crash were injured whatsoever.
The girl who was driving got banned from driving for 2 years.
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Disgraceful……and heartbreaking for the injured
 
I’d like to see massive changes in regards driving, call me a grass if you want, I used operation snap the other day, I was waiting at traffic lights on a roundabout, an Audi comes down the outside lane, lights on red pulls up checks and drives through cutting across where I would’ve driven, sent the footage in hopefully a nice letter pops through their post box. If you use your phone and get caught, phone is confiscated and destroyed, tough shit if your life is on there you know the rules. Caught dangerous driving, no tax or insurance, car confiscated and then you are made to go watch it get crushed, you know the law tough shit. For me killing someone whilst dangerous driving is like walking down the street randomly firing a gun, eventually you’ll kill someone, long prison sentence.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I’d like to see massive changes in regards driving, call me a grass if you want, I used operation snap the other day, I was waiting at traffic lights on a roundabout, an Audi comes down the outside lane, lights on red pulls up checks and drives through cutting across where I would’ve driven, sent the footage in hopefully a nice letter pops through their post box. If you use your phone and get caught, phone is confiscated and destroyed, tough shit if your life is on there you know the rules. Caught dangerous driving, no tax or insurance, car confiscated and then you are made to go watch it get crushed, you know the law tough shit. For me killing someone whilst dangerous driving is like walking down the street randomly firing a gun, eventually you’ll kill someone, long prison sentence.
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Snitches get…









Riches! Should be the case. I’m all for this.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I drive with the assumption that everyone around me is likely to do something stupid at some point. Having been driving over 30 years you get to know the warnings and triggers and adjust your behaviour accordingly. I guess I've been lucky with some very close calls. I always look for an escape route, and try to leave a gap. The only problem with leaving a gap over here in Florida is a gap bigger than 3 car lengths is an invitation for a truck to pull in in front of you, normally approaching a red light, which seems to be optional anyway.
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As a bicycler, I have the same attitude. The amount of ‘what the fuck’s this **** doing?’ I have going through my head every time I go anywhere on my bike is staggering these days. People are noticeably aggressive behind the wheel as a culture on our roads. It’s dangerous and it didn’t used to be like this.

I get some cyclists are a nightmare but drivers are aggressive to other drivers. The amount of cars you see up the arse of other cars just because they’re rightly driving at the speed limit is off the scale. It’s bred a culture of ‘well I must go faster’ and most people speed everywhere.

Driving standards are terrible these days.
 
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I drive with the assumption that everyone around me is likely to do something stupid at some point. Having been driving over 30 years you get to know the warnings and triggers and adjust your behaviour accordingly. I guess I've been lucky with some very close calls. I always look for an escape route, and try to leave a gap. The only problem with leaving a gap over here in Florida is a gap bigger than 3 car lengths is an invitation for a truck to pull in in front of you, normally approaching a red light, which seems to be optional anyway.
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I've driven all over the world and America was by far the easiest place. So much space.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I drive with the assumption that everyone around me is likely to do something stupid at some point. Having been driving over 30 years you get to know the warnings and triggers and adjust your behaviour accordingly. I guess I've been lucky with some very close calls. I always look for an escape route, and try to leave a gap. The only problem with leaving a gap over here in Florida is a gap bigger than 3 car lengths is an invitation for a truck to pull in in front of you, normally approaching a red light, which seems to be optional anyway.
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I’m exactly the same, you can almost always rely on some bellend to do something stupid on most journeys these days. The driving test needs to be far harder, ideally with some form of intelligence test included.
 
It's just the way society is nowadays. The chances of being caught doing anything wrong is very small.
I can more or less drive from kent to Manchester doing 70mph and not move from the inside lane !
Lanes two and three are packed doing around 50mph. Inside lane empty i ha e it all to myself apart from a few lorries.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:

Causing death by dangerous driving

sentencingcouncil.org.uk sentencingcouncil.org.uk

They could have got longer, but not that much more, because of the guilty pleas.
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With the caveat I don't know how much genuine remorse was shown in this case, the credit for a guilty plea in a case like this seems wrong to me. I assume the credit is primarily for a combination of saving the victim(s) the trauma of a protracted trial and likewise saving the tax payer money.

But given the overwhelming amount of evidence this was unlikely to be protracted and the primary victim is sadly no longer here anyway (I accept his family have been spared it being dragged out but really could the defendants have done that anyway?).

It feels like credit where frankly it's not due. I accept that if you try to make it more nuanced you probably run into problems but nonetheless it doesn't seem right.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
. Iv never known (during my lifetime) sentences that are so lenient for crimes like this.
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It’s disgusting. That one from earlier in the year that happened a couple of years ago - Liberty Mitchell. Filmed herself driving at 100 mph. Ploughed into a parked taxi, killing two people.

She got 6 years. 6 fucking years.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Sentencing has never been harsher. It’s just that people never believe justice has been done, whatever the sentence.

Someone gets 10 years, it should have been 20.

Someone gets life and they should be swinging.
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See above. 6 years for taking two lives, so 3 years each person she killed.

It would take extreme self control to not hunt down this piece of shit as a relative of one of the deceased upon her release. Anger which will no doubt be amplified by the pathetic sentence dished out.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
See above. 6 years for taking two lives, so 3 years each person she killed.

It would take extreme self control to not hunt down this piece of shit as a relative of one of the deceased upon her release. Anger which will no doubt be amplified by the pathetic sentence dished out.
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How long should you get for manslaughter?

The law isn’t emotional. Sentences shouldn’t be given dependent on how much you want to hunt someone down.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
How long should you get for manslaughter?

The law isn’t emotional. Sentences shouldn’t be given dependent on how much you want to hunt someone down.
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More than 6 years, that’s for sure. As I said, 3 years per victim. She will be in her early 20s when released, her whole life ahead of her.

If it was up to me, 20 years per life taken, so 40 years here. 40 years to rot and think about what a **** she was.
 
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