Two minors suspended by club for offensive chanting at Brighton game | 17 year old charged by GMP (p29)

Cellarite said:
This thread has been an absolute shocker for some blues. It started off really well and respectful to one of the greatest players the country has ever produced.

It soon turned into a debate with quite a few using it to convince themselves and others why Tom Finney, Bobby Moore, Colin Bell or Duncan Edwards were better - completely missing the point that citing a single player for being better than Charlton is actually acknowledging that he was in the top 2/3 English players of all time.

As news emerged that a handful of teenage fuckwits had been chanting a celebratory song about his death, it became the predictable point scoring and a thread posted for people to pay their own respects to the man now includes videos about the death of Leeds fans, the Hillsborough disaster, threats to Joel Glazer and others.

We also have people justifying why they won't be able to be respectful to Alex Ferguson when he dies! "It's not fair, some 'Nited fans put a nasty banner up about City and Alex Ferguson didn't personally climb the stairs to the Stretford End upper tier to take it down! And he backed his own team over their local rivals - there's no way I'll be able to shut my gob for 60 seconds in respect to the death of a man after he said we were noisy neighbours!"

I have my own thoughts on Bobby Charlton but have never met him and only know what I've been told second hand. What I do know though is that he is regarded as probably England's finest ever player and 99% of people who had dealing with him, describe him as a perfect gent. We've all done things that we'd probably change given hindsight.

As the old saying goes, if you've got nothing positive to say, say nowt.

RIP Bobby Charlton.
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Great post
 
super_city_si said:
Football has been taken over by grief culture. Im not sure weve had a game without a minutes silence this season. Yes, franny and other people who have ties to the club fully deserve the respect and should be honoured at the game, as should other teams honour the passing of people connected to their clubs.

but a minutes silence for israel/gaza? A minutes silence for some swedes killed in belgium? Yes they are awful but what do they have to do with football In manchester? I probably sound callous but i feel football should stick to football.
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Football related events are fine, wider events should be put to one side. Football is an escape from the realities of life. Swedish football fans being killed affects the football community so I can understand it being respected at football games. Wars/wider political events shouldn't need anything at the football in this country. The England side did something, leave it there.

Saturday should have been all about Franny Lee. It's disappointing that the club didn't ignore the PL and stand up for that. We shouldn't have had a minutes silence for the Israel/Gaza victims interrupting it. We're all well aware of what's going on over there, but we lost a legend of our club and he should have been honoured in a much greater way than he was.
 
Cellarite said:
This thread has been an absolute shocker for some blues. It started off really well and respectful to one of the greatest players the country has ever produced.

It soon turned into a debate with quite a few using it to convince themselves and others why Tom Finney, Bobby Moore, Colin Bell or Duncan Edwards were better - completely missing the point that citing a single player for being better than Charlton is actually acknowledging that he was in the top 2/3 English players of all time.

As news emerged that a handful of teenage fuckwits had been chanting a celebratory song about his death, it became the predictable point scoring and a thread posted for people to pay their own respects to the man now includes videos about the death of Leeds fans, the Hillsborough disaster, threats to Joel Glazer and others.

We also have people justifying why they won't be able to be respectful to Alex Ferguson when he dies! "It's not fair, some 'Nited fans put a nasty banner up about City and Alex Ferguson didn't personally climb the stairs to the Stretford End upper tier to take it down! And he backed his own team over their local rivals - there's no way I'll be able to shut my gob for 60 seconds in respect to the death of a man after he said we were noisy neighbours!"

I have my own thoughts on Bobby Charlton but have never met him and only know what I've been told second hand. What I do know though is that he is regarded as probably England's finest ever player and 99% of people who had dealing with him, describe him as a perfect gent. We've all done things that we'd probably change given hindsight.

As the old saying goes, if you've got nothing positive to say, say nowt.

RIP Bobby Charlton.
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Once our fanbase got vilified by all and sundry because a few halfwits decided it was a good idea to sing what they did, then video it and plaster it all over social media, it was guaranteed to go south a bit.

When anybody famous dies it opens up a wider debate as to their merits in their chosen profession, comparisons with others in the same profession and their private life. This happens all the time. It's not been a shocker for anybody, it's a natural debate. Some people liked the man, others didn't. I liked him as a man and respected his immense contribution to our only trophy winning England side in our history. As a rival I found him the most inoffensive person from that lot over the road.

Ferguson is another matter, I mention him as you brought him into the debate. That man mocked and revelled in our clubs misery for years and was a narcasistic bully. I have no time for him. While I can respect his record as a manager I won't be paying any respects to him as a man anytime soon. Death doesn't suddenly absolve all sins or make people who detested somebody in life then like or respect them once they're gone.

As for Bobby I hope he gets the respect he deserves from our fans who are at the game on Sunday. Like it or not you represent our club and the whole world will be watching and just waiting for one of you to step out of line so they can villify our club once more. The rags will try and goad you into it as they did at the 50th Munich occasion. Be better and rise above it.
 
paulchapo said:
Once our fanbase got vilified by all and sundry because a few halfwits decided it was a good idea to sing what they did, then video it and plaster it all over social media, it was guaranteed to go south a bit.

When anybody famous dies it opens up a wider debate as to their merits in their chosen profession, comparisons with others in the same profession and their private life. This happens all the time. It's not been a shocker for anybody, it's a natural debate. Some people liked the man, others didn't. I liked him as a man and respected his immense contribution to our only trophy winning England side in our history. As a rival I found him the most inoffensive person from that lot over the road.

Ferguson is another matter, I mention him as you brought him into the debate. That man mocked and revelled in our clubs misery for years and was a narcasistic bully. I have no time for him. While I can respect his record as a manager I won't be paying any respects to him as a man anytime soon. Death doesn't suddenly absolve all sins or make people who detested somebody in life then like or respect them once they're gone.

As for Bobby I hope he gets the respect he deserves from our fans who are at the game on Sunday. Like it or not you represent our club and the whole world will be watching and just waiting for one of you to step out of line so they can villify our club once more. The rags will try and goad you into it as they did at the 50th Munich occasion. Be better and rise above it.
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Did he really mock and revel in our club's misery? He called us noisy neighbours and said we wouldn't be the favourites in a derby in his lifetime. I'm not being argumentative - I genuinely can't remember much more than that specifically aimed at City and we've had more fun out of those statements than United have.
 
Cellarite said:
Did he really mock and revel in our club's misery? He called us noisy neighbours and said we wouldn't be the favourites in a derby in his lifetime. I'm not being argumentative - I genuinely can't remember much more than that specifically aimed at City and we've had more fun out of those statements than United have.
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There are too many incidents over the years to remember but they all hit home at the time. Those two statements alone show the absolute arrogance of the man and the contempt he held for our club. He was a bully who loved rubbing our noses in it when he was the biggest unnoposed kid in the City. Once we got fed, grew and could challenge him and gave him a few bloody noses he started crying to all and sundry at how unfair it was and like all bullies slunk off with his tail between his legs.
 
paulchapo said:
There are too many incidents over the years to remember but they all hit home at the time. Those two statements alone show the absolute arrogance of the man and the contempt he held for our club. He was a bully who loved rubbing our noses in it when he was the biggest unnoposed kid in the City. Once we got fed, grew and could challenge him and gave him a few bloody noses he started crying to all and sundry at how unfair it was and like all bullies slunk off with his tail between his legs.
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Ok. Maybe we should be discussing Alex Ferguson in the United thread.
 
paulchapo said:
Predictable this cockroach jumped on it.

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This really is appalling - it shows everything anyone needs to know about the clearly racist, bitter old ****. Even supporters of other clubs, who probably only follow the twat to revel in his outbursts about City, are calling him out - bar a few who couldn't wait to show the world how unbelievably brainless they are
 
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