Txiki Begiristain | Has left the club after 13 years (pg50)

Psychedelic Casual said:
Been a great DoF overall.

There are a number of questionable things that can be seen as a negative - from the signings after the 2012 title win and the 2023 treble, to keeping all four of Clichy Kolarov Zabaleta and Sagna for too long (added to Fernando in DM) in preparation for Pep coming, to the recent wing signings to replace Sterling Sané Mahrez and Palmer which is affected us last season - but they are far outweighed by the incredible squads that were built between those times.

Signings of legends like Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Stones, Gündoğan, Ederson, BSilva and Rodri plus someone I think is a legend in the making in Gvardiol. Key long term contributors to success like Sterling, Walker, Dias, Otamendi and Aké. To more short term key contributors to success like Negredo, Navas, Sané, Jesus and Laporte. To signing Haaland for £54m (arguably £100m less than his worth), Gündoğan for £20m (arguably £35m less than his worth), Akanji for £15m and Álvarez for £15m. And to surprising signings that worked out great for their time they had playing well like Demichelis and Delph.
…and probably most importantly, the way they all fitted and played well as a unit, and the harmony across the squad with so few ‘bust-ups’ or embarrassing moments (although Walker had a few!).

Then, his biggest coup of all, in bringing Josep Guardiola Sala to the Etihad!

His squad building deserved more CL wins than just the one we have. But that’s on them and Pep, not him.

All the best to the bloke in his retirement, he will go down as a very key figure in Manchester City’s history.
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A good run down. I would venture to suggest that Pep was due to Soriano and the chairman, but just guessing. The chairman put in place Soriano and Txiki with a view to getting Pep.
 
Damanino said:
I wish his transfers since the treble would have been such hits as in earlier periods. the signings of Bernardo, Sterling, Mahrez, Dias, Ake, Rodri all turned out great and allowed us to build on them for years with high performance from them regularly. and the likes of KDB of course from a bit earlier period.

since the treble not sure how many of those we will be able to see 4/5 years of great seasons from each player. Gvardiol is one that looks like one similar to above mentioned, the rest has still time to prove themselves but not too much.

not only Txikis fault, the whole club became comfortable after the treble win business wise, and what happened is while we were significantly ahead of likes of Liverpool, Arsenal at that point we allowed them to catch up by better transfers also by us regressing tactically/became easier to play against.

there was some tendecy to get runners, players with good press resistance, players that can beat opponent 1v1, but somehow this did not follow up tactical changes and we still tried to play like at our best with possession based/control type football where you need high level technicians in possession rather than good and quick dribblers.

now with Leijnders coming in there might be more to this tactical change, we will see this quite soon imo August, September how this is planned exactly but certainly there was a bit of a mismatch of the recuritment ad tactical shape/idea since the treble which is so strange from such a close knit DoF/manager duo as Txiki and Pep.

dont get me started on last summer, which is still so hard to understand how let it happen, when apparently DoF/analysts all flagged a big rebuild must be done, but Pep wanted to have one more go with the old guard which backfired big time.

Palmer has to be mentioned too, not down to Txiki imo, more like Pep, that he is what Salah/KDB was to Chelsea, they had them and didnt think they re worth to keep/develop and reap the rewards after. still its not gonna be nice to see Palmer scoring/assisting almost every round, its just fucked up I bet Chelsea fans looking at Salah end product for years, or KDB's brutal legacy at City was hard to swallow too...

on the positive side, Txiki was a great DoF overall (expect last 2 years), the transition from where we were early 2010s to more than a decade later was partly down to his work.
currently good example what a mess going on at Newcastle who had their DoF stolen (Ashworth) then hired Mitchel who resigned leaving all kind of vacuum at the top and now Newcastle instead of building on their recent success looks about to implode somewhat.
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The problem last summer was that our CEO is now part time, having spent most of last year as CEO CFG in New York. He was not around to put a stop to the attempt to put the rebuild off.
SEE also the Chairman having to jump in post hoc to stop the farce of pricing half our supporters out of the Etihad.
City, I feel is in danger of just becoming a profit centre for CFG.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Been a great DoF overall.

There are a number of questionable things that can be seen as a negative - from the signings after the 2012 title win and the 2023 treble, to keeping all four of Clichy Kolarov Zabaleta and Sagna for too long (added to Fernando in DM) in preparation for Pep coming, to the recent wing signings to replace Sterling Sané Mahrez and Palmer which is affected us last season - but they are far outweighed by the incredible squads that were built between those times.

Signings of legends like Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Stones, Gündoğan, Ederson, BSilva and Rodri plus someone I think is a legend in the making in Gvardiol. Key long term contributors to success like Sterling, Walker, Dias, Otamendi and Aké. To more short term key contributors to success like Negredo, Navas, Sané, Jesus and Laporte. To signing Haaland for £54m (arguably £100m less than his worth), Gündoğan for £20m (arguably £35m less than his worth), Akanji for £15m and Álvarez for £15m. And to surprising signings that worked out great for their time they had playing well like Demichelis and Delph.
…and probably most importantly, the way they all fitted and played well as a unit, and the harmony across the squad with so few ‘bust-ups’ or embarrassing moments (although Walker had a few!).

Then, his biggest coup of all, in bringing Josep Guardiola Sala to the Etihad!

His squad building deserved more CL wins than just the one we have. But that’s on them and Pep, not him.

All the best to the bloke in his retirement, he will go down as a very key figure in Manchester City’s history.
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Good post mate.

There have been mistakes, of course - but what an impact he’s had during his time at City.

He leaves the Club a legend, and an integral part of the most successful period in our history.

Although as a point of note, Txiki joined the Club in October 2012 - after the catastrophic Summer window that followed our first PL title win, so the mistakes of that window can’t be levelled at his door.

That one was all Marwood - as Mancini himself told us many times that Summer when his frustration got the better of him!
 
Will go down as one of the best ever.

In general if you make 5 transfers, 1 will be a significantly better player than what you have, 2 will be good but 1 of those might get an injury, 1 will be an OK buy but no better than what you have, and 1 will stink the place out.

Tixi bought worldies and good players by the bucket load and without spending beyond the market average.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Good post mate.

There have been mistakes, of course - but what an impact he’s had during his time at City.

He leaves the Club a legend, and an integral part of the most successful period in our history.

Although as a point of note, Txiki joined the Club in October 2012 - after the catastrophic Summer window that followed our first PL title win, so the mistakes of that window can’t be levelled at his door.

That one was all Marwood - as Mancini himself told us many times that Summer when his frustration got the better of him!
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Tbf, I think Marwood was given a small budget. The good sheik was still making good our losses then. UEFA ffp came in 2011/12 and PL version was soon to follow. So allowable losses were limited by the new rules.
 
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jimharri said:
You think our current squad is worse than the 2012 squad?
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It’s miles worse. The 2012 squad was sprinkled with superstars and elite performers at or near their peak. The current squad has big Erl, Rodri and maybe Bernie at a push
 
KS55 said:
The problem last summer was that our CEO is now part time, having spent most of last year as CEO CFG in New York. He was not around to put a stop to the attempt to put the rebuild off.
SEE also the Chairman having to jump in post hoc to stop the farce of pricing half our supporters out of the Etihad.
City, I feel is in danger of just becoming a profit centre for CFG.
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A great point. As the CFG expands it dilutes the importance of City. We are the world’s first truly globalised football club business model and over time the bigger the organisation becomes the more difficult it becomes to control.
 
Agueroooooooooooo said:
Is this down to Silverlake?
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I don’t think so. As boq says above City by definition get diluted as part of the whole, inevitably. I suspect the Chairman overlooked how that would look from a purely City pov.
New York is a major project by any standards, CFG are spending about £900m on developing the block. If Soriano is now CEO of CFG, that leaves us floundering a little and we really should appoint a CEO of City. I have suggested before that we need a Manchester based football board and let the CFG board look after group policy. Presently we mix the two.
 
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