UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

[Kirkstall Blue]

Trying to figure out when all the stars blink out and they will, how to escape into another dimension

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Trying to figure out when all the stars blink out and they will, how to escape into another dimension

I do quite like Michio.

 

[BlueHammer85]

UFO sightings will either be Russia or China air craft or AI. that's it. waste of time following anything else.

 

[daveiw01]

UFO sightings will either be Russia or China air craft or AI. that's it. waste of time following anything else.

Well that's that cleared up then, thanks, may as wel lclose the thread.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

You might as well.
It’s more likely than some of the other utter crackpot nonsense posted.

 

[somapop]

Someone posted a 'UAP' landing on the tarmac as Manchester Airport today.
It looked like one of those giant balloons on string you see at seaside resorts (and probably was).

 

[somapop]

Vallée is very good friends with Pasulka and he features prominently in American Cosmic (and the other title if I remember rightly). As Close Encounters has been on TV a few times recently, whenever Francois Truffaut appears on screen it makes me think of him.

What's interesting about these books is that you learn of prominent scientists who are leaders in their own fields but who are also the equivalent of homosexuals who were afraid to come out of the closet back in the day. They take these phenomena seriously but tend to speak under conditions of anonymity, fearing the damage to their credibility if their identities are revealed.

There is also a fascinating discussion of some possible physical evidence of visitation (which I won't say anything more about - it would be too much of a spoiler).

On the SETI thing, I wonder if even advanced civilisations end up destroying themselves or are destroyed by some cosmic calamity before they get the chance to achieve interstellar travel?

The pan-dimensional beings thing is another fascinating theory but - again - I don't know what to make of it. I had come across it previously when I heard of people encountering insectoid aliens whilst under the influence of dimethytryptamine.

How I got into this myself was when I came across an older book about UFO's and alien abductions called Dark White. It was authored by a sceptical academic writer called Jim Schnabel back in the early 90's.

Later, I looked at some UFO religions like Heaven's Gate and the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors (founded by Dwight York - not the ex-footballer!) when teaching Year 9's about New Religious Movements when I was a secondary school teacher. The pupils also got introduced to the wonderful Susan Blackmore, who thinks that sleep paralysis and unusual temporal lobe activity account for the feeling that there's a 'Grey' in the room with you. Then, of course, there was David Icke and his alien shape-shifting lizard theory to look at.

More recently, a friend's daughter chose to write about the Raëlism for her BA in Philosophy. So it was helping her a bit with that which got me into this whole area again.

Then I found that there were academics in the fields of Religious Studies and Philosophy, like Pasulka and Jeffrey Kripal (see the link below) who had started to take the whole UFO phenomenon seriously again. Kripal has collaborated with Whitley Streiber, for example.

Philosophy professor Jeffrey J Kripal: ‘Thinking about a UFO as some kind of extraterrestrial spaceship is naive’

The academic and author draws on quantum mechanics, English romantic philosophy and mysticism to explore a new theory of mind that embraces the paranormal

www.theguardian.com

What do I personally think of all this?

Fuck knows.

But it's fun to read about and those two Pasulka books were very entertaining.

Still never watched The X Files. Might need to put that right.

I bet there's some interesting reading there (as you do indeed say!).

Just not sure what phenomena is out there that can't (with some grunt foresnic work) be explained away.

Abductions seems quite archaic now.

Sean Carroll has a quite sober take on this and this article is worth a read:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-we-probably-wont-find-aliens-anytime-soon/#:~:text=If their home worlds are,appears to be exceedingly unlikely.

That recent Brian Cox series abnout our solar system was really interesting. Our solar system alone has likely (certainly?) a ratio of half a light year (edge of the oort cloud).
EDIT: more like 2 light years away - probably meant half the distance to our nearest star.

"It would take Voyager 1 about 300 years to reach the inner edge of the Oort Cloud, and possibly another 30,000 years to exit the far side"

 

[TinFoilHat]

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

May have told this tale before a while back but not sure.

I was night fishing on a mill Lodge next to Cheethams Park, Stalybridge in in August 1984 with a mate. We caught a few fish during the night but I hadn't had a bite for over an hour so I took my flask over to see Tony to have a brew and a chat. We sat there chatting away under a starlight sky and all of a sudden a dazzling bright orb came from nowhere and hovered for what seemed like about 10 to 15 seconds, this was about 3am. We watched it speechless until it shot off at lightning speed. We turned to each other slack jawed in disbelief. "WTF was that" said Tony. I said it might be a UFO.

I always took my pocket radio when night fishing listening to Piccadilly radio and on the 5AM news they said a UFO was spotted over Stalybridge Oldham and Rochdale. They also said it was picked up by Manchester Airport radar. I've not given it much thought since but I did a Google search a few years ago and couldn't find anything about it. If you don't believe in UFOs I won't argue with you but what we saw that night was definitely an unexplained flying object.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

I bet there's some interesting reading there (as you do indeed say!).

Just not sure what phenomena is out there that can't (with some grunt foresnic work) be explained away.

Abductions seems quite archaic now.

Sean Carroll has a quite sober take on this and this article is worth a read:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-we-probably-wont-find-aliens-anytime-soon/#:~:text=If their home worlds are,appears to be exceedingly unlikely.

That recent Brian Cox series abnout our solar system was really interesting. Our solar system alone has likely (certainly?) a ratio of half a light year (edge of the oort cloud).
EDIT: more like 2 light years away - probably meant half the distance to our nearest star.

"It would take Voyager 1 about 300 years to reach the inner edge of the Oort Cloud, and possibly another 30,000 years to exit the far side"

Carroll's article is excellent. Thanks for posting it.