UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[glyncity]

If you're correct then I'm labouring and maybe many other people under a fundamental misapprehension about FFP. I always thought it applied to all clubs all the time whether they were in European competitions or not. Anyone know for certain? Prestwich Blue?

Pretty sure it was reported Liverpool would have failed FFP the same season we are in trouble for , the reason they didn't was because they didn't qualify and because UEFA felt it would be impractical to investigate every club within the time frame ...conveniently , some might say , wether or not they'd review that rule , if it was us remains to be seen....

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Well he doesn't need to take much time to actually write anything. He just tidies up the press releases he gets from the Liverpool PR team.

True!! In all seriousness though I think with him it's got to the point where he actually craves the attention. The majority of football fans he engages with do praise him on Twitter which then must give him confidence to write more and more sensationalist crap. Only City fans or other fans who actually know what their talking about do confront him on this.

It's got to a point where he's got so wrapped up in the social media world he doesn't know how to escape it

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Slight point of order - There is no record of any ostrich anywhere been witnessed to have its head in sand. Apparently

He's a very short ostrich. Maybe he just hasn't evolved enough yet to do it.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Instead of people flapping, realise that UEFA and the media have shot their respective bolts; City haven't and won't until absolutely necessary.

That's why the likes of Panja, Delaney and Rob wotsit get frustrated and have been reduced to simply regurgitating and agitating with the same old news, essentially for clicks.

Correct. There are only so many articles they can write about points deductions, players leaving, Guardiola’s future etc.

They’ve gone too early with their ‘hot takes’. What happened to treat them mean and keep them keen? It doesn’t seem to apply in sports journalism

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I think you are all being a tad harsh on Delaney. Just imagine the turmoil he's in. Under the new points system he will presumably have to go home, being unskilled and if he stays, he won't have a carer.

And he definitely needs a carer......

 

[MillionMilesAway]

is there a rule within in the premiership that if a club is found guilty by the uefa the premiership can add a punishment as well ?

Reason for asking is because we took a pinch the premier league didnt do anything so what's changed ?

I don't think it is an automatic thing, and is very much dependent on the issue in question.

'the pinch' was for breaching UEFA FFP. Nothing to do with the PL.

This one - and I think specifically the allegation of misrepresenting income source - is different. The UEFA charge is independent of the PL, but the PL now have their own version of FFP. It is possible that a proven UEFA FFP allegation could also breach PL FFP, and therefore could incur a PL penalty.

There's a lot of 'could' in there, and the rules are different, so there is no certainty that a UEFA FFP issue would carry into PL FFP.

 

[domalino]

Leterme has a history of ignoring evidence in his career outside of football as well

Oh really? Interesting. David Conn was assuring everyone on the football weekly podcast that the people involved were of the highest calibre and whiter than white.

 

[aguero93:20]

I think you are all being a tad harsh on Delaney. Just imagine the turmoil he's in. Under the new points system he will presumably have to go home, being unskilled and if he stays, he won't have a carer.

Don't be silly, the dippers are paying him a lot more than £26.5k a year.

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

Is anyone else worried about a PL sanction?

A PL sanction? Fuck .... why did nobody mention this in the 100s of pages posted? Ruined my day now.

 

[cityzen81]

I love and trust our club 100%, my only worry is I hope the evidence they say is irrefutable actually is and and not open to interpretation.

 

[aguero93:20]

Oh really? Interesting. David Conn was assuring everyone on the football weekly podcast that the people involved were of the highest calibre and whiter than white.

His opinion of their honesty is on a par with his of the boys over at Soccer Club Un*ted Manchester.

 

[blueinsa]

Id be more worried now if there wasn't talk of sanctions.

 

[argyle]

Rather than engaging and giving them the attention they want and need, just block them and be done with them.

 

[Gabriel]

Smacks to me of a last, desperate attempt to stop us. If they fail to spike our spokes now, they never will, and a ban would give their favoured few time to reconsolidate.

 

[Coatigan]

If you're correct then I'm labouring and maybe many other people under a fundamental misapprehension about FFP. I always thought it applied to all clubs all the time whether they were in European competitions or not. Anyone know for certain? Prestwich Blue?

No, i think it applies to uefa competitions only. that's my understanding of it at least

 

[dadnlad]

Smacks to me of a last, desperate attempt to stop us. If they fail to spike our spokes now, they never will, and a ban would give their favoured few time to reconsolidate.

no chance when this fails they'll ban owning football groups just cause no other team thought of it

 

[hello]

It’s FACT that their sponsorship deal was overvalued by 93m based on an independent analysis versus the figure Leterme decided to go with. Whilst that’s not proof of paying Leterme off, the only logical conclusion is that Leterme was acting with PSG’s, or rather his mate Nasser Al-Khelaifa’s best interests in mind. And a likely reward for doing that would be sort form of bribe, be it money or otherwise.

And the alleged corresponding Letreme purchase of a new villa in the Cayman islands and 56 pedigree goats was purely serendipitous, and people like Nasser always give business acquaintances 30k watches for tax reasons.

 

[creditunionhero]

Ever since 2009 there has been a widespread belief throughout football that some form of financial regulation is necessary coupled with a more widespread belief that FFP is no more than a series of protectionist measures to help a cartel maintain itself at the pinnacle of the football pyramid. The rouble is that most other ideas on what form regulation should take suffer from failings not dissimilar to those of FFP. The clue is in its misleading name. Is FFP to establish a professional game where every club can compete on equal terms or is it purely to prevent clubs going bust and force them to make a profit. It's impossible to do both at the same time. The problem for those who wish to regulate to introduce a golden age of perfect fair play (what actually does it mean?) find that their schemes level down to enable the weakest to have a fair chance. How do you establish a salary cap where Stockport County can spend as much as Arsenal? How do you limit transfer spending so that Exeter City can spend as much as Newcastle United? But there is another problem, and it is the one we criticise FFP for: that competition law prohibits any limitation on investment and wages and transfer fees are simply mechanisms which allow clubs to invest in assets for the club. The further difficulty is that EU competition law does not concern itself with the origin of the funds for investment and thus debt is a valid way of financing investment. But I think this may be the only way that the game will get the courts to accept a "sporting exception" to the rules on investment, and that is to insist that all investment must real investment in the club. At the moment Chelsea's owner has loaned the club over £1 billion, not all of it to buy and pay players. Many of the players have now ceased to play! Some now play for other clubs! But Chelsea have not bought any of the players in any real sense because the cash has gone through the club's books but not really through the club. This is debt financing and it doesn't strengthen the club but actually weakens it since repayment is not scheduled and is likely to be demanded at the worst possible time in the club's fortunes. There have to be measures in place to show that clubs can guarantee repayment whether this is from an owner's funds or some other source. Guarantees are not easy to provide since repayment is deferred...

None of this is relevant to CAS and won't help our appeal which at the moment is our sole priority. I would remind posters who want us to settle scores with all kinds of bent officials that Ferran has reminded us of our real target and that is the allegations made by UEFA which the evidence we have presented to CAS proves "are simply not true".[/QUOTE

A really good post, and one which applies to a number of organisations. These bodies need to concentrate on good governance practices. Instead they allow vested interests to gain control and impose undue and unfair influences.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

No, i think it applies to uefa competitions only. that's my understanding of it at least

UEFA FFP has no impact on any club not in UEFA competition. The "out of competition year" is an odd feature.
PL FFP has no impact on any club not in the PL.
Championship FFP only affects clubs that remain in the Championship - there are loads of examples of clubs who massively overspent to reach the PL (Promised Land) - QPR, Leicester, Bournemouth for some - and are exempt from any sanctions if they are no longer in the Championship (QPR got into trouble because they were immediately relegated and got pursued).
As far as I know, there is no FFP below the Championship.

 

[hello]

No he isn't thick but he must think football fans are. He knows full well what conclusion he came to a few days ago, and now he says the exact opposite thinking no one will notice

Congratulations you've become the first person on blue moon in my 10+ years to make me look for the ignore button, Conn is a plagiarising twat and your constant need to suck the bald twats micro penis off is fucking nauseating. You should get down to the pallet box and get together with him.