UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Today in focus is a daily podcast from the Guardian and this mornings edition is all about City and the ban. David Conn is being interviewed and he is still stating UEFA's claim that Sheikh Mansour funded the Etihad money. Everything he says seems one sided with nothing offered to give City's side of the arguement.
 
Holier than though?

By suggesting it’s idiotic to want someone dead because they wrote a book you don’t like?

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

I’ll call out a fucking ridiculous post wherever I see it and feel free to hit the ignore button, whoever the hell you are.
QED.
I gave your original post a 'like', as I agree wholeheartedly with your condemnation of the fatwa. Its the follow up I dislike.
You dismissed a fellow blue with "jog on you societal cancer". Not good.
 
QED.
I gave your original post a 'like', as I agree wholeheartedly with your condemnation of the fatwa. Its the follow up I dislike.
You called a fellow blue "a societal cancer". Not good.
That was in direct response to an identical comment from the same poster (since deleted, or amended I think). So not good all round, but an understandable response imo.
 
Today in focus is a daily podcast from the Guardian and this mornings edition is all about City and the ban. David Conn is being interviewed and he is still stating UEFA's claim that Sheikh Mansour funded the Etihad money. Everything he says seems one sided with nothing offered to give City's side of the arguement.

don't waste your time listening to him.
 
I think we're pretty well protected from the PL stuff, and I assume that was the whole point of leaking the hacking agreement.

If they punish us for 6 year old stuff they'll have to punish Liverpool, they are already loathe to revisit it anyway and revoking a trophy would be a nightmare.
Hacking = FA. PL had nothing to say about that.
 
Was having a discussion about all this last night, I know our owner paid £210 million to buy us but how much has he spent buying Melbourne, New York etc..
How much has he put into this project and how long until he has his money back ?
 
Was having a discussion about all this last night, I know our owner paid £210 million to buy us but how much has he spent buying Melbourne, New York etc..
How much has he put into this project and how long until he has his money back ?
We don't have an "owner" as such anymore, we have numerous shareholders. Sheikh Mansour is obviously the vast majority but we have major investors from China and silver lake in America. Mansour sold 10% of the group for $500m a few months ago so I don't think he's too worried
 
Greatest ever season by any club would be winning all four (including community shield) domestic trophies. Can’t be done

Sorry mate, I meant league season. If they break our points total and go undefeated all season, that would surpass our 100 point season.
Added to the possibility of also winning the FA Cup and retaining the Champions league. If achieved, that would make it the best season by anyone imo.

Now I think we will smash them at the Etihad. We play a far better style of football, but fair play to them, they have been like a machine for the best part of 2 seasons now.

Either way, it is rather strange of them to be having Podcasts about us when they are going through such a phase of success. It reeks of insecurity.

Edit - We win the Champions league, the fa and league cup this season. Added to what we have done over the last 2 seasons, it would totally piss all over them winning the league this season.
 


Interesting that Baz thinks we should ignore Tyson Fury's bigotry because we're judging him by our standards which is wrong.

Do you think he feels the same way about Abu Dhabi's ruling family? That we shouldn't judge them by Western standards?

I don't think it's a good excuse for either but at least I'm consistent.

Compare and contrast:
Our country founded in 1066 became a democracy in 1927.
Abu Dhabi founded, arguably, in 1971 have about 800 years to catch up !
Their royal family are not in complete control. Try to introduce changes to which the religious establishment object and they would be ousted.
Our royal family, in complete control, went about slaughtering ppl: e.g. harrying of the north, civil war.
Obvs liberal democracy is a far superior system, but I'll wait till 2771 before I completely condemn AD.
Was it Mao who, when asked what he thought about democracy, replied "Its too soon to tell"?
 
The irrefutable proof will be the clubs financial records. This would have been contained somewhere in the 200 page dossier we had put together for our defence. Something UEFA decided not to look at.

What they looked at, were stolen/hacked emails which they proceeded to take out of context. They used that as a negotiation and offered a deal, like the bully’s they are and assuming we would take one.

We didn’t. We said fuck off. See you in court, where we will be bringing the 200 page document that you didn’t want to see.

They then threw their toys out the pram and made, what will consequentially be, an absolutely fucking horrendous decision that is going to haunt them for many, many years.

Once the case is completed then there is nothing to stop City releasing their defence if they choose to, even if UEFA don't release their's however they did say they would
 
We don't have an "owner" as such anymore, we have numerous shareholders. Sheikh Mansour is obviously the vast majority but we have major investors from China and silver lake in America. Mansour sold 10% of the group for $500m a few months ago so I don't think he's too worried
My guess is that CFG has cost Mansour upwards of £2bn so far, so he has a paper profit, his stake worth £2.5 - £3bn?.
 
Once the case is completed then there is nothing to stop City releasing their defence if they choose to, even if UEFA don't release their's however they did say they would
I think we must publish our docs and an explanation for "that" email.
 
I'm not a legal expert which is obvious but......and it's a big but....IF we lose the case, wouldn't the premier league have a case then to pursue us, on the basis our break even money to meet their criteria was falsified?
The PL FFP are a lot more liberal that UEFA and were introduced a few years after I doubt we were anywhere near failing Also since they said it was too long ago to investigate the lfc hacking scandal then they cant ignore that for our issue
 
That’s my concern to be honest. If we’ve already submitted what we considered to be the irrefutable proof, then it clearly wasn’t considered irrefutable and the CFCB would have definitely looked at it.

Personally, I want to know when we say the emails were taken out of context, what we fully mean by that. I don’t think we’ll ever find out though, I think the argument at CAS will be more around the verdict being inadmissible anyway.

The club submitted a document (200 pages) to the Investigative Chamber that they claimed was never considered We don't know if this was ever sent to the Regulative Chamber and if it was considered

Out of context would be using one part of an email chain and not considering the other mails eg "We can do what we want" has ben used to infer that this is City being arrogant when in reality it come be the reply to a question of "can we do that" with the answer being perfectly ok because it is something that is totally in City's control
 
The definitive thread as always from Swiss Ramble. Little or anything to argue with in the entire thing.



Would recommend all of u on this thread to read it. ( a bit late longish but worth it)
One might have wished for a more openly supportive piece. He doesn't mention the corrupt change of rules which led to our first FFP sanction nor the US investigation cited by PB showing our sponsors' support was not from SM.
 
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