UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[SilverFox2]

Lets say we have had plenty of time to plan for the worst outcome but expect the best.

Our owner expected a rough ride when he bought City but invested anyway.
Nothing stopped his BP but now his total investment and projected profits are threatened the gloves are definitely off and UEFA may regret winning at CAS almost as much as losing.

 

[dadnlad]

my take not only calling city cheats and cooking books but some world renowned accountancy firm reputation is at stake for signing accounts off not just city's but all the sponsor companies involved

big call

 

[lancs blue]

Not disagreeing but what makes you think that, and how would it be considered different to the panel that has already judged on us?

Not trying to trip you up here as I more interested than trying to challenge a point.

The club's initial appeal to CAS was rejected on a purely technical point that not all internal decision making by UEFA had been completed. If you read the detailed CAS report they were critical of aspects of UEFA's conduct and they did emphasise that they were not making judgments on the validity of City's overall case.

 

[bluemanchester]

The law is as you suggest always hard to predict however, this case would seem to rest on 3 points. 1) Did UEFA follow its own procedures in the hearing and judgement of our case - that doesn’t on the face of it look good for UEFA if they didn’t read our dossier of evidence - of course they are saying we didn’t cooperate but if we provided the dossier (which I think we did) the onus is on them to read it. 2). The Der Spiegel Email’s need to be explained - are they accurate, do they provide evidence of wrongdoing or can the context of the emails be changed so that they can be explained in such a way that does not imply that we funded our own sponsorship - I think much rests on Etihad’s funding which I don’t believe for a second came from our owner ( I think in cases like this a UEFA will have to prove it did rather than us or Etihad prove it didn’t). 3). We need to provide evidence of our sponsorships - amounts agreed in the contracts versus amounts received and prove on the balance of probabilities that none of the money came from our owner. This will be a black and white case. If we win we get no ban, no sanction and we are free to rip UEFA and the media a new one. Lose and we are in deep shit and our owners credibility is blown so the stakes couldn’t be higher. Looking at the two parties in question - despite having my blue tinted specs welded on I know who I’d back and I have every confidence that we will be cleared and that WW3 will break out in summer 2020 - with numerous UEFA officials being thrown under buses, taxis and any other mode of transport.

I thought I read somewhere that the bit about City not cooperating was they refused to give UEFA the transcript of the emails, which City were entitled to do.

 

[Fordyboy46]

Best we can hope for is a one year ban, there's too much pressure from certain individuals not to punish us. If we did get off though Uefa are fucked and finished in that order.

 

[goatersnipple]

Some clown from UEFA was interviewed in muen.
Ask if it could be settled out of court ...
Didnt want to answer.
Is there a possibility of this.
And as far as I can make out he shitting it.
He knows we have to much dirt on them.

 

[KS55]

I thought I read somewhere that the bit about City not cooperating was they refused to give UEFA the transcript of the emails, which City were entitled to do.

That would be a key point, if true. Does anybody know if the requirement to cooperate means we have to hand over whatever they ask for, or are there limits to their discovery powers?

 

[KS55]

Best we can hope for is a one year ban, there's too much pressure from certain individuals not to punish us. If we did get off though Uefa are fucked and finished in that order.

The pressure to 'convict' is on UEFA, not CAS.
CAS will adjudicate on the argument between City and UEFA, not on the warring factions within UEFA.
Will be interesting to see whether we major on the G clubs hold over UEFA or not, i.e. some clubs are more equal than others, and the subsequent bias of the control body.

 

[nmc]

Some clown from UEFA was interviewed in muen.
Ask if it could be settled out of court ...
Didnt want to answer.
Is there a possibility of this.
And as far as I can make out he shitting it.
He knows we have to much dirt on them.

I think this can now only be settled out of court if UEFA drop all the charges. Even then I’m not sure that works for us - I think we want the CAS to overturn the case rather push it under the carpet - City need to prove their innocence and can’t accept some dirty deal or well crafted agreement. I think UEFA have from day one wanted this to be settled and go away but City won’t play ball (excuse the pun) and this really does need to play out in court. Ultimately the balance of power between City, the G14 and UEFA has to change.

 

[nmc]

Lets say we have had plenty of time to plan for the worst outcome but expect the best.

Our owner expected a rough ride when he bought City but invested anyway.
Nothing stopped his BP but now his total investment and projected profits are threatened the gloves are definitely off and UEFA may regret winning at CAS almost as much as losing.

Don’t forget two other very major parties have invested in us since then - I think if we were guilty of the sort of cheap financial doping alleged by Der Spiegel and Rob Harris that the due diligence of SilverLake or the Chinese Government might just have picked it up... not withstanding our own auditors or those at Etihad.

 

[ArdwickAlbert]

Does anyone know if the evidence submitted gets published along with the outcome? Could be a very good way to get some really compromising/confidential information into the public domain about certain individuals or activities?

 

[Marvin]

MUG carry an interview with Ceferin: https://www.dumptheguardian.com/foo...ball-with-fans-will-come-back-very-soon#img-1

Covered city briefly:

Before the Covid-19 crisis there was the case and sanction of Manchester City. Is Uefa still supporting the chamber’s findings? Are you still fully behind the guilty verdict and the two-year ban?
Look, the decision was made and now the case is at the court of arbitration for sport and Cas will decide. That’s absolutely all I can say, for two reasons. Firstly, the independent bodies made the decision, I didn’t, and secondly, I really don’t know the case [well enough] and I don’t like people who comment about matters that they don’t know well. There are too many people commenting on different topics that they do not have a clue about.

So the possibility of a deal or a settlement outside court is not an issue for you?
I don’t want to comment on this case any more.

 

[Paladin]

UEFA case apparently is we mislead them! So if Uefa went through our accounts found nothing wrong then these hacked emails showed we found a loop hole on certain sponsors deals but not broke any rules, I wonder how cas would rule over that?! Would they take the hack emails into account?

One of the things CAS will be looking at is whether or not UEFA followed their own procedures. If they didn't, I'm sure City will be happy to have the ban overturned based on that. But City don't want to get off on a technicality, they want complete exoneration.

@City_rabin recently unearthed a quote from FIFA, where they said certain evidence against them should be inadmissible because the source was hacked material. Now if FIFA don't recognise hacked material, UEFA shouldn't be allowed to either, because they are part of the same organisation. FIFA are in effect UEFA's bosses.

I'd be surprised if this didn't enter City's defence, along with our other irrefutable evidence to show that the hacked emails were taken out of context.

This is my (inexpert) opinion.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

As the hearing is in camera. This means no one from the general public is allowed into the hearing. My guess is we will have to wait and see when CAS gives it's judgement.

 

[nmc]

MUG carry an interview with Ceferin: https://www.dumptheguardian.com/foo...ball-with-fans-will-come-back-very-soon#img-1

Covered city briefly:

Before the Covid-19 crisis there was the case and sanction of Manchester City. Is Uefa still supporting the chamber’s findings? Are you still fully behind the guilty verdict and the two-year ban?
Look, the decision was made and now the case is at the court of arbitration for sport and Cas will decide. That’s absolutely all I can say, for two reasons. Firstly, the independent bodies made the decision, I didn’t, and secondly, I really don’t know the case [well enough] and I don’t like people who comment about matters that they don’t know well. There are too many people commenting on different topics that they do not have a clue about.

So the possibility of a deal or a settlement outside court is not an issue for you?
I don’t want to comment on this case any more.

So he doesn’t know the case, didn’t make the decision but attended two CL group games in an attempt to broker a deal between City and UEFA - involving a case he didn’t know about - so he clearly didn’t know we we’re going to be found guilty! - so why seek to broker a deal. Is he thick, stupid or just another narcissistic lunatic from UEFA. He’s gonna struggle under cross examination from a half decent QC on that version of events.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Are you really bothered whether we get banned or not,me personally I hope we never play in that corrupt competition again.

Same here, just tell them we don't want to take part in a competition designed by and won by just the g14 clubs. Citing the corruption as the main reason.

Downside - we lose the money.
We lose the attraction for the best players in the world

Upshot -
We don't have to compete in it.
We can concentrate on our own league whilst the likes of LFC and utd get bogged down.
We are likely to earn a lot through dominating the PL


It would be a stand against it, it would probably hurt us initially but in the longer term uefa are going to collapse with corruption and we will be right.

I dream.

But I used to really want us to win the CL, now I have seen the inner workings and how it is a money machine for the g14 clubs,..... I really don't want city being part of that corruption.

 

[Paladin]

MUG carry an interview with Ceferin: https://www.dumptheguardian.com/foo...ball-with-fans-will-come-back-very-soon#img-1

Covered city briefly:

Before the Covid-19 crisis there was the case and sanction of Manchester City. Is Uefa still supporting the chamber’s findings? Are you still fully behind the guilty verdict and the two-year ban?
Look, the decision was made and now the case is at the court of arbitration for sport and Cas will decide. That’s absolutely all I can say, for two reasons. Firstly, the independent bodies made the decision, I didn’t, and secondly, I really don’t know the case [well enough] and I don’t like people who comment about matters that they don’t know well. There are too many people commenting on different topics that they do not have a clue about.

So the possibility of a deal or a settlement outside court is not an issue for you?
I don’t want to comment on this case any more.

Politics. Ceferin is a lawyer. I'd be very surprised if he hadn't bothered to fully acquaint himself with the full details of our case, given that it is the most high profile case his organisation has ever had, and has far-reaching consequences whatever the outcome.

 

[Gazza]

As the hearing is in camera. This means no one from the general public is allowed into the hearing. My guess is we will have to wait and see when CAS gives it's judgement.

Thanks, I thought we'd all be told the verdict beforehand with being City supporters and all that.

 

[KS55]

As the hearing is in camera. This means no one from the general public is allowed into the hearing. My guess is we will have to wait and see when CAS gives it's judgement.

CAS will initially give a brief rendition of their decision. Later, they will expand on the reasoning but the full evidence will not be in the public domain.
We should eventually publish ours but I don't think our owners are generally in favour of that openness.
If we lose and take it to a Swiss court, it could be years before the evidence emerges, in a public case.

 

[KS55]

So he doesn’t know the case, didn’t make the decision but attended two CL group games in an attempt to broker a deal between City and UEFA - involving a case he didn’t know about - so he clearly didn’t know we we’re going to be found guilty! - so why seek to broker a deal. Is he thick, stupid or just another narcissistic lunatic from UEFA. He’s gonna struggle under cross examination from a half decent QC on that version of events.

He lied.