But you can't blow a case apart if the people prosecuting you won't listen to your evidence and are hell bent on destroying you. How many innocent people have been jailed and even executed when the evidence that could have stopped that was under the court or police's nose?If we could blow this case apart easily we would have done long ago. There’s been significant damage to the club already. I’ve not given up hope of course, but I’m not buying some of the bullishness.
I’ve been involved in lots of legal disputes and you always say your evidence is irrefutable or rock solid or whatever: You aren’t going to say “well we’ve got a few bits so let’s see what pans out”. If nothing else you can act aghast if your case isn’t accepted ;-)
Sure, but if you had smoking gun evidence proving your innocence (as we do obviously) you wouldn't tell the police about it at the time? You'd keep it secret and take your chances in court instead after your name's been plastered all over the papers as someone who's potentially committed a crime?But you can't blow a case apart if the people prosecuting you won't listen to your evidence and are hell bent on destroying you. How many innocent people have been jailed and even executed when the evidence that could have stopped that was under the court or police's nose?
If UEFA completely ignored our evidence at the IC and the AC did not call for it (which they have the power to do), then UEFA are fucked on process grounds alone. Pannick's questions will be excruciating for them.But you can't blow a case apart if the people prosecuting you won't listen to your evidence and are hell bent on destroying you. How many innocent people have been jailed and even executed when the evidence that could have stopped that was under the court or police's nose?
Sure, but if you had smoking gun evidence proving your innocence (as we do obviously) you wouldn't tell the police about it at the time? You'd keep it secret and take your chances in court instead after your name's been plastered all over the papers as someone who's potentially committed a crime?
The epitome of a kangaroo court.But you can't blow a case apart if the people prosecuting you won't listen to your evidence and are hell bent on destroying you. How many innocent people have been jailed and even executed when the evidence that could have stopped that was under the court or police's nose?
Well, 'as far as we know' is zilch because nobody has said what evidence was given by either side. We have to guess or deduce from public statements like "we submitted irrefutable evidence." The point is we just do not know, which is one of the reasons why I think we should publish all our evidence after the verdict, win or lose. The club have played their cards very close to their chest, which policy, given the media storm agin us, needs to be abandoned asap.
And his trusted side kick Orville ?Hope Lord Pannick takes a back seat to Paul Harris.
seems like an excellent summary and I don’t suppose anyone knows more about the Etihad deal I am curios as to make up of the payments given that it covers the campus which at the time of signing did not exist so are the payments staggered would it help us if they are ? Wouldn’t it make them look more reasonable ? Does that matter ?
Will be interesting to see if he carries the can if the CAS appeal is unsuccessful, or whether Mansour and Khaldoon will keep faith in him regardless.
I have got to be honest, I’m with Ahsan on this one. Not seen anything yet to give me any confidence that we will win the appeal. .
We have to be honest, someone will carry the can. I have got to be honest, I’m with Ahsan on this one. Not seen anything yet to give me any confidence that we will win the appeal. All I can hope is that others whom are more optimistic have.
It's about having the platform. At the end of the day, however unfair UEFA's process may have been, we still have to abide by it. Our time will come and it's coming very soon.Sure, but if you had smoking gun evidence proving your innocence (as we do obviously) you wouldn't tell the police about it at the time? You'd keep it secret and take your chances in court instead after your name's been plastered all over the papers as someone who's potentially committed a crime?
If we are cleared that will be the end of it UEFA will not come again in a few years as we no longer fall foul of FFP and we we did fail FFP will be time barred.If and when we win this case. it cannot be on a technicality, we have got to deliver a complete knockout blow, to the whole of UEFA'S FFP. In other words blow completely out of the water. If we don't do this they will come again in a few years and try the same thing over again.
Does anybody else agree with this or not
Surely if we have a "smoking gun" the time to play our hand for maximum effect and maximum damage to those who seek to destroy us would be at CAS.UEFA haven’t taken it this far because of some notion they are confident of winning nor is it because they want to lose.
UEFA have been forced down this path by our rival clubs aka the cartel.
All the clues were in Soranio’s address. UEFA invited the old G14 into their decision making process in return for an agreement not to break away. The clubs have taken advantage and are running UEFA. When UEFA lose it doesn’t affect the clubs but will pulverise UEFA. Then the same clubs can claim UEFA needs better governance organised by them.
UEFA have been naive and any unbiased court will see what has happened. When City win they must go after the clubs too.
The 2 year exclusion was given with the idea of negotiating it down to one. City have rightly said no.
Only my opinion but our strongest argument seems to be that if we had done what we are accused of now it would be fine.