UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[deano ou812]

Martin Samuel, MailSport: "Whatever City have done wrong, the entire playing field was shaped by the elite of European football for their own gain. The game, as it has now been framed by UEFA and a privileged elite, is bent." [via @MailSport]

Is that a quote from his piece on Saturday ?

 

[Nightmare Walking]

When does a file become a dossier?

You will know by the time I have stopped sending you emails. At present it is a few files. By the time I am through it will be a dossier. :-D

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Presumably the "earliest opportunity" would have been Friday night?

Not necessarily. Might precede that tbf. City may have been notified in advance. Genuinely don’t know. Anyone else?

 

[kaz7]

Is that a quote from his piece on Saturday ?

New one out tonite i think,the link is in his thread

 

[BobbyBoy]

Because our owners personal fortune makes uefa look like paupers.

But its the Club challenging UEFA, it's not individual's, it's one business and their revenue challenging another business and their revenue. This will be a pain in the hole for UEFA but I can't see them being overly concerned by the financial side of it.

They are separate , we have one owner & it isn’t a country .

I'm aware of that, that's why I questioned bringing "the state" into it for the legal challenge.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

There is a lot of mixed messages in this thread and on this site. City have a turnover of circa £400m, UEFA have circa £2.7bn, if City are not state owned how is it that the weight/power/wealth of a state comes into play over a court case? Surely they are seperate or they not?

Revenue £535M in 18/19, will be higher now, get your facts right.

City are not state owned ffs, that is so lazy.

City's owner is incredibly wealthy, he could outspend uefa many times over during a prolonged legal battle.

 

[bluemonkey71]

UEFA have their own sponsors. If the shit hits their fan they will run for the hills.

 

[kaz7]

But its the Club challenging UEFA, it's not individual's, it's one business and their revenue challenging another business and their revenue. This will be a pain in the hole for UEFA but I can't see them being overly concerned by the financial side of it.



I'm aware of that, that's why I questioned bringing "the state" into it for the legal challenge.

We are ot owned by a state,we are valued at over 2 billion and have sold shares to very wealthy american and chinese companies,i think you have been told about the state bit a couple of times before

 

[LucahArchie10]

The case will come down to what evidence UEFA has been able to compile to supplement the leaked emails. If its the leaked emails and tumbleweed (which is what City are hedging), then I reckon we will give 'em an absolute bath in CAS - after all we are in a position of power in all this, in terms of having access to 'context documents' that UEFA simply has no jurisdiction to get - even with whatever information gathering powers they have under FFP. If UEFA has done the hard yards, corroborated what is implied by the dirty emails through other evidence - then we are up a creek most likely, and deservedly so if other evidence can support their arguments to show we 'misled them' about the source of funding underlying sponsorship (not the very clearly chosen words in UEFAs statmeent - this is not about 'overvaluing' our sponsorships, but 'overstating' them - which to me suggests a focus on the source of the funds in the case of UEFA, not the absolute quantum (which was what got us the first time around)


But if UEFA has been bluffing, and the hacked emails are basically it, then if our lawyers are worth anything like what we will pay them, then we will have them over a barrel.

Its a fascinating example of John Nash 'game theory' at play. Lots of brikmanship, lots of gamesmanship, lots of strategy based on 'i think they know this, or think this, or have this'. It seems likely one party or the other will take a heavy beating if it is all played out either in CAS or later on in the courts. Hence my view is that the most likely outcome of CAS is a negotiated settlement with a much lower punishment.

Our owner will not take anything but a win?

We are now all or nothing surely?

 

[BobbyBoy]

The value is immaterial. What matters is who pays for it.

That's my point, the Club will be paying for any legal challenge.