UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[domalino]

I suggest you look it up

I did.

"without the surrounding words or circumstances and so not fully understandable."

"If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended."
​

Something can't be out of context if it's not something that's been written/spoken to begin with.

 

[Shaelumstash]

These days emails are the most critical evidence in most commercial cases. And the ones leaked from Pearce just the sort of unhelpful ones parties hate to see.

That's not been my experience.

I've been involved with a lengthy litigation in an EU country and my experience has been that emails point you in the direction of the evidence, but the most pertinent evidence in court is accounts, financial statements and bank transfers.

"Follow the money", as they say.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I agree. The statement from City described them as "out of context" emails, not "fabricated". I am following on the assumption that they are genuine.

Didn't the club also say that the intention was clearly to damage the club's reputation? If we try to read anything into that statement we might assume that the context has been doctored to suggest Sheikh Mansour disguised investment, something which the club's irrefutable evidence can show is not the case.

 

[SilverFox2]

Yes and are very likely the "irrefutable evidence" City keep referring to.

Would they consider this to be a good possibility without the bank statement though. In other words is strong suspicion sufficient grounds for CAS to agree with UEFA without definite proof?

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Daft example but below is how a redacted email could be taken out of context

Was actually

This all falls to shit if uefa have seen unredacted emails and their interpretation is not in doubt.

Please ignore if bollocks

 

[slbsn]

That's not been my experience.

I've been involved with a lengthy litigation in an EU country and my experience has been that emails point you in the direction of the evidence, but the most pertinent evidence in court is accounts, financial statements and bank transfers.

"Follow the money", as they say.

That relates to a very particular type of case. My point was most - thats why disclosure exercises are so extensive in commercial cases. But not sure this is a debate for this forum

 

[hihosilva]

I did.

"without the surrounding words or circumstances and so not fully understandable."

"If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended."
​

Something can't be out of context if it's not something that's been written/spoken to begin with.

misrepresent the meaning of an utterance, an action, or a report thereof by omitting or altering the original context in which it was spoken or done. You have to be very careful what you say when you're a politician, because the media are all too happy to take anything you say out of context.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Confidence is a funny thing.

I think that finding out the Executive Council was indirectly funding our sponsorship by giving Etihad money so they could afford it, plus the very antagonistic nature of the emails will have angered a lot of people at UEFA to the point where I could see a bunch of people in the Investigatory Chamber like Parry and Leterme just deciding they were going to fuck us, and ignore anything we said at the time or any evidence we presented.

However where my confidence hits the rocks is that Rodrigues de Cunha seems like a pretty serious operator and a very experienced judge. So I find it hard to believe he would take part in railroading us without a proper case.

However, we do know that Leterme & co. have fucked over de Cunha before by deceiving him to get stuff pushed through. So if that happened I could understand how we end up at CAS with a case that's easy to win.

Otherwise, with the AC and its panel of judges given the full facts to make their decision, I can't get confident about 3 more judges reaching a totally different verdict.

I'm not certain, but isn't the AC in UEFA totally reliant on what the IC provide them with?

So, essentially City can provide evidence to the IC, and then it is for the IC to decide whether to pass it up the AC and then the AC passes judgement based on the IC report.

It's the equivalent of the CPS investigating a crime, then passing it to the judge and you not being able to defend yourself in court.

Rodrigues de Cunha may well have just been given a stitch up case by Leterme and had no choice but to find against us.

I'm not certain on the process at UEFA, but from what I've read, that seems to be how it operates. No wonder we had no faith in the process.

 

[blue oli]

Nothing to see here fo a month, some informed speculation and guesswork and some outright daft stuff too.

No one apart from each side and the legal teams have ANY idea of what’s being presented as evidence and neither side know what the final call by CAS will be.

Personally I’m seeing action taken, rushed by the IC/AC, off the back of potentially un-contextualised emails (with half redacted ) die to the time statute running out.

Cerafin is obviously nervous but the AC are highly qualified guys who must think they have something.

Looking forward to picking up on this next month when we actually know something.

 

[Lkzerinho]

Nothing to see here fo a month, some informed speculation and guesswork and some outright daft stuff too.

No one apart from each side and the legal teams have ANY idea of what’s being presented as evidence and neither side know what the final call by CAS will be.

Personally I’m seeing action taken, rushed by the IC/AC, off the back of potentially un-contextualised emails (with half redacted ) die to the time statute running out.

Cerafin is obviously nervous but the AC are highly qualified guys who must think they have something.

Looking forward to picking up on this next month when we actually know something.

I think we will get a sense in the next week or two what the decision will look like

yes it won't be official till CAS announces it, but I like the noise that has been coming out of the club in the media, they seem very confident