UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Man_City_Loyal]

I didn't realise they were allowing owner investment to make up for lost revenue, good news for City.

Do you have a link dom?

its been reported in the guardian :)

 

[patrickblue]

I think this has been the snapping point, from what I've heard.

It seems very much to be the case. He has always claimed that City have done nothing wrong and refrained from escalating things when fined in the interest of the future relationship with UEFA.
That's now all out of the window now.
In retrospect it might have been better to have challenged it then.

 

[domalino]

I didn't realise they were allowing owner investment to make up for lost revenue, good news for City.

Do you have a link dom?

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/newsid=2642261.html

Edit - Hmm can't find the reference to loans and/or owner investment that I'm certain I read earlier today, might be in a paper, I'll have a look.

 

[Cast No Shadow]

Spot-on. There still a lot of apologists for FFP in the media but essentially it is destroying European football by still allowing clubs to build up huge amounts of debt while not allowing fresh internal investment from outside. The French, Italian, and now German Leagues have become jokes. Spain is really just a two-club league. If it wasn't for Chelsea and City English football would have become another one-team league with no competition for United.
I used to enjoy the Bundesliga but it's like Scotland now. Clubs who tried to challenge like Wolfsburg and Leipzig have been strangled at birth. What do German football fans really want? In theory the fans-owner model is a good idea but why turn away external investors to strengthen the league. There is nothing fair about the way Bayern operate.

Once the Scousers box off the title, they’ll be the 5th Premier League winners in the FFP era - it’s clearly made our league more competitive.

United and Arsenal - clubs it was allegedly designed to protect, have finished outside the top 4 more often than not. Tottenham have generally replaced them there, and got to a Champions League final on a relatively modest financial outlay, while Leicester are once again set to finish in the CL places having won the title a few years back.

Would Leicester have been able to win the league in 2016 had we been allowed to continue to invest heavily under Pellegrini, in the manner we had/have under Mancini and Guardiola? Probably not.

Regarding monopolised leagues around Europe, what happened when Monaco briefly broke PSG’s stranglehold on the Ligue 1 title? We took Bernardo and Mendy from them. We signed Dzeko from Wolfsburg after they won the Bundesliga, then later De Bruyne, plus we got David Silva and Aguero from Valencia and Atletico, two threats to the Barca/Real Spanish duopoly - we are part of that problem.

One good thing about the current predicament is that it could be a catalyst for better scouting, better recruitment, incentivise player development and youth integration; more Kompanys, more Zabaletas, more SWPs, and fewer Stones and Cancelos.

 

[wayne71]

I think this has been the snapping point, from what I've heard.

From what you heard we were not foul of FFP in 2014, which went well. Hopefully you're not so far out this time, even a stopped clock....

 

[KS55]

Once the Scousers box off the title, they’ll be the 5th Premier League winners in the FFP era - it’s clearly made our league more competitive.

United and Arsenal - clubs it was allegedly designed to protect, have finished outside the top 4 more often than not. Tottenham have generally replaced them there, and got to a Champions League final on a relatively modest financial outlay, while Leicester are once again set to finish in the CL places having won the title a few years back.

Would Leicester have been able to win the league in 2016 had we been allowed to continue to invest heavily under Pellegrini, in the manner we had/have under Mancini and Guardiola? Probably not.

Regarding monopolised leagues around Europe, what happened when Monaco briefly broke PSG’s stranglehold on the Ligue 1 title? We took Bernardo and Mendy from them. We signed Dzeko from Wolfsburg after they won the Bundesliga, then later De Bruyne, plus we got David Silva and Aguero from Valencia and Atletico, two threats to the Barca/Real Spanish duopoly - we are part of that problem.

One good thing about the current predicament is that it could be a catalyst for better scouting, better recruitment, incentivise player development and youth integration; more Kompanys, more Zabaletas, more SWPs, and fewer Stones and Cancelos.

Interesting that you think we are part of the problem. That's what Tebag and Bayern say. Still, it makes more sense than the post BTL in the Grauniad yesterday that claimed lack of competition was the fault of fans for supporting the more successful teams.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/newsid=2642261.html

Edit - Hmm can't find the reference to loans and/or owner investment that I'm certain I read earlier today, might be in a paper, I'll have a look.

We need PB or someone who knows what that all means for our situation us. I’ve read it and just picked up on the covid issue.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Once the Scousers box off the title, they’ll be the 5th Premier League winners in the FFP era - it’s clearly made our league more competitive.

United and Arsenal - clubs it was allegedly designed to protect, have finished outside the top 4 more often than not. Tottenham have generally replaced them there, and got to a Champions League final on a relatively modest financial outlay, while Leicester are once again set to finish in the CL places having won the title a few years back.

Would Leicester have been able to win the league in 2016 had we been allowed to continue to invest heavily under Pellegrini, in the manner we had/have under Mancini and Guardiola? Probably not.

Regarding monopolised leagues around Europe, what happened when Monaco briefly broke PSG’s stranglehold on the Ligue 1 title? We took Bernardo and Mendy from them. We signed Dzeko from Wolfsburg after they won the Bundesliga, then later De Bruyne, plus we got David Silva and Aguero from Valencia and Atletico, two threats to the Barca/Real Spanish duopoly - we are part of that problem.

One good thing about the current predicament is that it could be a catalyst for better scouting, better recruitment, incentivise player development and youth integration; more Kompanys, more Zabaletas, more SWPs, and fewer Stones and Cancelos.

I'm not sure you can credit the competitiveness of our League with FFP - that seems a stretch of logic which doesn't feel remotely plausible. I'd be interested to know your perspective on specifically how the legislation has resulted in greater competitiveness in our League.

And that fact United and Arsenal haven't finished within the top 4 more often has more to do with exceptionally poor management (both sporting and administrative) at both clubs than anything to do with FFP.

Unencumbered by FFP, United have consistently outspent everyone else in the League on entirely the wrong players for a post-Ferguson rebuild with no clear recruitment strategy, and have appointed a series of very expensive yet wholly inappropriate Managers who haven't remotely worked out for them - all this whilst sticking with a CEO who's great at securing global partnerships but shite at running a football club. That has far more to do with their relative lack of success over the last decade than FFP.

I'd argue poor management at both United and Arsenal - as a result of Ferguson and Wenger respectively holding way too much power prior to their departures - left a vacuum of leadership and competence at both clubs (exacerbated at United by Gill leaving the same summer as Ferguson). Once these two finally retired, this lack of competence led to a complete capitulation at both clubs, creating an opportunity for other clubs to contend for trophies in a way that hadn't been possible during their dominance of the League. That's got a lot more to do with the greater spread of winners in English football than FFP.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

its been reported in the guardian :)

Just read it thanks.

 

[domalino]

Once the Scousers box off the title, they’ll be the 5th Premier League winners in the FFP era - it’s clearly made our league more competitive.

United and Arsenal - clubs it was allegedly designed to protect, have finished outside the top 4 more often than not. Tottenham have generally replaced them there, and got to a Champions League final on a relatively modest financial outlay, while Leicester are once again set to finish in the CL places having won the title a few years back.

Would Leicester have been able to win the league in 2016 had we been allowed to continue to invest heavily under Pellegrini, in the manner we had/have under Mancini and Guardiola? Probably not.

Regarding monopolised leagues around Europe, what happened when Monaco briefly broke PSG’s stranglehold on the Ligue 1 title? We took Bernardo and Mendy from them. We signed Dzeko from Wolfsburg after they won the Bundesliga, then later De Bruyne, plus we got David Silva and Aguero from Valencia and Atletico, two threats to the Barca/Real Spanish duopoly - we are part of that problem.

One good thing about the current predicament is that it could be a catalyst for better scouting, better recruitment, incentivise player development and youth integration; more Kompanys, more Zabaletas, more SWPs, and fewer Stones and Cancelos.

Ok theres no way this post is written in good faith.

No one in their right mind would argue that 5 teams winning the league in 10 year is a sign of FFP working when 2 of those sides broke FFP (City and Leicester) and the other 3 were the richest clubs in the country before FFP.