UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Stoned Rose]

UEFA have a tendency to fuck up on multiple occasions, I notice on their website that Nasris doping ban was overturned by CAS, turned out he was actually ill and was only given fluids for dehydration, missed that report in our papers. I hope he rinsed them for that.

He looked incredibly dehydrated after about 4 minutes last night tbf.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

You’d really think Uefa would try to stop the press running things that say “sources close” or “investigations head Yves Leterme understood to favour a ban.”

Especially if a case is still ongoing.

Lie or not it’s detrimental to their argument, particularly when we’re targeting their process. Looks rather bad that the person in charge has his opinion leaked every week

 

[SilverFox2]

You’d really think Uefa would try to stop the press running things that say “sources close” or “investigations head Yves Leterme understood to favour a ban.”

Especially if a case is still ongoing.

Lie or not it’s detrimental to their argument, particularly when we’re targeting their process. Looks rather bad that the person in charge has his opinion leaked every week

From a journalistic point of view is it likely to "sell papers" so having any truth is surely a secondary consideration. There again.......

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Man City’s UEFA case may not be resolved until end of the season- https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/manchester-city-may-not-learn-ffp-fate-until-the-end-of-the-season-rpgfrl9bh?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1568225014 …

This is the start of the backpedalling in the UK media. Ziegler and his pals should have checked out their sources more carefully. The Times has made a fool of itself with a lot of the stuff they have published on the FFP probe which has been based on information from our commercial rivals. Coverage in the US media has been much more accurate. The Times has virtually ignored the key dimension to the story which is: What happens in the Pinto case? Pathetic journalism.

 

[nmc]

Is it possible the media are now speculating at the same time as implying inside itk?
In other words lying.

Correct... it’s gone from guilty as charged - punishment at the end of the week, guilty and thrown out off the UCL sometime soon, to could drag on all season.

 

[nmc]

This is the start of the backpedalling in the UK media. Ziegler and his pals should have checked out their sources more carefully. The Times has made a fool of itself with a lot of the stuff they have published on the FFP probe which has been based on information from our commercial rivals. Coverage in the US media has been much more accurate. The Times has virtually ignored the key dimension to the story which is: What happens in the Pinto case? Pathetic journalism.

Ziegler - in particular, but a few other journalists too - just can’t be objective. They are Fans of other clubs, horrified by what Pep has put together and getting us banned is their only antidote to having to admit how good we are.

 

[bluetonium]

The times article says this:

The leaked emails appeared to show City being paid directly by the owners instead of the Etihad airline for a sponsorship deal, and allegedly also backdated sponsorship deals with partners from Abu Dhabi — Etihad, Aabar and the tourism authority.

Very dodgy statement that and poor choice of words The leaked emails don't appear to show that at all, which is basically core to the entire debate, yet the times have seemingly decided already?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The times article says this:

The leaked emails appeared to show City being paid directly by the owners instead of the Etihad airline for a sponsorship deal, and allegedly also backdated sponsorship deals with partners from Abu Dhabi — Etihad, Aabar and the tourism authority.

Very dodgy statement that and poor choice of words The leaked emails don't appear to show that at all, which is basically core to the entire debate, yet the times have seemingly decided already?

The Times coverage has been truly appalling and built entirely on the Der Spiegel version of events despite the huge question marks over the source of the material. The paper has continued to publish stories based on second-hand information from sources with a clear agenda against us. They have not challenged any of this information or put it into context as the New York Times has done. The most bizarre thing of all is that the background context to the City emails is a much better story than what they have published. As far as I know not a single UK journalist has ever managed to get an interview with anyone senior at City though Khaldoon has spoken to the international business media. I think Martin Samuel may have been briefed by City on the background as most of his columns have been spot-on. The UK media is in a dreadful state.

 

[bluemanchester]

UEFA have a tendency to fuck up on multiple occasions, I notice on their website that Nasris doping ban was overturned by CAS, turned out he was actually ill and was only given fluids for dehydration, missed that report in our papers. I hope he rinsed them for that.

Missed that.

 

[bluemanchester]

'Sources with knowledge of the case' my arse.

The whole gist of the article is that IF Cas find in Uefa's favour then the upper chamber can proceed with their verdict and no doubt punishment. IF this comes about, City will appeal to CAS which will start a brand new investigation which will take another few months to decide.

Anyone on here could have written that without claiming to have 'sources'.

Shame Zeigler doesn't mention that there is no reason whatsoever why UEFA can't proceed now before the CAS hearing. Unless he knows they are up a creek with no paddle.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

You’d really think Uefa would try to stop the press running things that say “sources close” or “investigations head Yves Leterme understood to favour a ban.”

Especially if a case is still ongoing.

Lie or not it’s detrimental to their argument, particularly when we’re targeting their process. Looks rather bad that the person in charge has his opinion leaked every week

They can't stop it:

Q "M. Leterme, do you think these allegations deserve a ban, if found true?"
A "If proved true, then they are serious charges and a ban would be appropriate in my opinion."
Q: "Brilliant, I have my headline."

Leterme almost certainly hasn't said anything other than answer questions.
A bit like when that deadline popped up that UEFA hurried to meet - it was reported in the media, but all it needed was someone to look in the UEFA regs to find out that it was important. No leak needed, and if UEFA were asked, they would have acknowledged that it was there.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The times article says this:

The leaked emails appeared to show City being paid directly by the owners instead of the Etihad airline for a sponsorship deal, and allegedly also backdated sponsorship deals with partners from Abu Dhabi — Etihad, Aabar and the tourism authority.

Very dodgy statement that and poor choice of words The leaked emails don't appear to show that at all, which is basically core to the entire debate, yet the times have seemingly decided already?

Good point.

"Could be interpreted to say" would be true.

 

[petrusha]

Good point.

"Could be interpreted to say" would be true.

Yes. Their content is consistent with the interpretation the Times has given. But it's misleading unless there's some statement or implication that they could be interpreted as not entailing breaches of the letter of the regulations. If Ziegler doesn't want to do so outright, then the neatest way to achieve it would be along the lines you've suggested above.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Shame Zeigler doesn't mention that there is no reason whatsoever why UEFA can't proceed now before the CAS hearing. Unless he knows they are up a creek with no paddle.

As some have suggested on here it looks increasingly like UEFA are waiting for CAS to bale them out of the hole they are in. They can't risk action against City based on a couple of dodgy emails wihout knowing the outcome of the Pinto case which will go on for years. If CAS reject the case because of a failed process then UEFA are off the hook. The only issue then will be lingering reputational damage to City which may force us to publish all our evidence. This will be a tough call for Khaldoon because I am sure we have a lot of dirt on our enemies. I suspect we will keep our powder dry unless any future action is actually taken against us. I believe we hold all the cards.

 

[Centurions]

As some have suggested on here it looks increasingly like UEFA are waiting for CAS to bale them out of the hole they are in. They can't risk action against City based on a couple of dodgy emails wihout knowing the outcome of the Pinto case which will go on for years. If CAS reject the case because of a failed process then UEFA are off the hook. The only issue then will be lingering reputational damage to City which may force us to publish all our evidence. This will be a tough call for Khaldoon because I am sure we have a lot of dirt on our enemies. I suspect we will keep our powder dry unless any future action is actually taken against us. I believe we hold all the cards.

I'm really looking forward to the apology from UEFA when CAS throw it out because I'm convinced that Khaldoon will get to write it for them word for word with the threat of further action if they refuse.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Maybe I’m being really cynical but hope it’s not a case of it being too late to ban us this season so they’re keeping their powder dry to unleash another assault just as we’re picking up another set of trophies in May.

Sure your not the only one thinking this!

 

[MadchesterCity]

The Times coverage has been truly appalling and built entirely on the Der Spiegel version of events despite the huge question marks over the source of the material. The paper has continued to publish stories based on second-hand information from sources with a clear agenda against us. They have not challenged any of this information or put it into context as the New York Times has done. The most bizarre thing of all is that the background context to the City emails is a much better story than what they have published. As far as I know not a single UK journalist has ever managed to get an interview with anyone senior at City though Khaldoon has spoken to the international business media. I think Martin Samuel may have been briefed by City on the background as most of his columns have been spot-on. The UK media is in a dreadful state.

Agreed, question is who do you trust less the journalists, the Germans or the Politicians?

 

[oldius]

It would be lovely to think that we would sue The Times, in a big way.

 

[nmc]

As some have suggested on here it looks increasingly like UEFA are waiting for CAS to bale them out of the hole they are in. They can't risk action against City based on a couple of dodgy emails wihout knowing the outcome of the Pinto case which will go on for years. If CAS reject the case because of a failed process then UEFA are off the hook. The only issue then will be lingering reputational damage to City which may force us to publish all our evidence. This will be a tough call for Khaldoon because I am sure we have a lot of dirt on our enemies. I suspect we will keep our powder dry unless any future action is actually taken against us. I believe we hold all the cards.

It’ll be interesting to see if CAS reset the clock and tell UEFA - they can start again from the beginning. With our enemies urging them on... will they... will UEFA risk everything?

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Well, he's either lying, or they are leaking.

This is the second post on different threads which suggest our fine media are lieing. How can that possibly be of a fine upstanding bastion of truth?