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UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST
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laserblue
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Surely a spurs win is all we need
It proves you can spend nothing and win it
It also proves how any old team can win it and as such it’s overrated competition
League any day for me
I agree. I would rather City win the third of a PL title treble next season than the Champions League (though both would be nice). As for comparitive degrees of difficulty it took City 50 games to win the domestic treble of which they lost only 4. Both Liverpool and Spurs have lost 4 of their 12 games in the CL to reach the final.
Marcotti was speculating yesterday that Charles Flint maybe excluded from the review because of his links to Dubai.
In which case only those UEFA officials hostile to the UAE will be able to review this case. Knock-on effect maybe to delay the review as it would reduce the time when the required number of assessors were available.
I speculate that if this happens yet more evidence of bias in the process.
This is one problem with the idea that City will get a fair hearing. Every single day our club is attacked and criticised as cheats in the media. Liverpool fans typically besiege the BBC, Guardian and other media organisations flooding all comments pages with suggestions we are cheats, and the entire media is drowned out with allegations. Its deliberate and organised and has the effect of demonising City. City are labelled as fraudsters and cheats before any review and I do not think we will receive an independent hearing anywhere.
Many City fans assume that a Court will find in City's favour because if you are a City fan you know the facts and history of the case, and you know the nature of Etihad's sponsorship, and the rules about related parties etc, but what I don't think you appreciate is the hostility and racism towards the Arab world at every level of society. I've seen this all my life, and I do not trust the authorities one bit whether they be European Judges or officials connected to Switzerland. All of them look down on the Arab world.
Anyone who looks at the allegations, and the rules will see that UEFA's case against City is far from clear-cut, but you also have to realise that City are regarded by modern-day Nazis by Western liberals. They do not understand that the Middle-east is undemocratic precisely because their countries have been interfering in the region since throughout modern history, indeed Britain created the UAE, and arms and trades with it to this day. Step outside the borders of the Western world, and you will not find a democracy as is understand here. Are nationals of the none-Western world not to be trusted and treated as 2nd class because their countries are not part of the club?
The Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International lobby the Western world to point out the absences of equality etc but do not realise that the source of this inequality is the oppressive relationship between the West and the rest of the world. Any time the people of the Middle-East have engineered revolution the West has put them down...see the Iranian Revolutions as an example Mossadegh and then the fall of the Shah when France flew in the Ayatollah to head off the Tudeh Party inspired revolution that the West feared would hand Iran to the then Soviet Union...and what happened then? 40 years of Islamic unrest that has dominated the world for years...Islamic Fundamentalism only became an international phenomena after the Iranian Revolution so the West actually created this modern-day demon. It's not just Iran..I could give you plenty of other examples eg Nasser. Remember the Suez canal crisis when Egypt had a coup d'etat and a radical group of army officers took over Egypt and tried to steer the country towards an independence etc etc.
I am afraid that prejudice is everywhere and nowhere is it higher than in the realm of Western officialdom.
Imperialism, militarism, racism these are the defining features of geopolitics. It is a mistake to just look at this technically on the basis of the rulebook. You have also to look at the parties involved and the way they are regarded in this world.
We had a forerunner of this with Thaksin prior to the Sheikh Mansour takeover when large elements of the media and indeed some fans didn't like who he was. You'll have to look long and hard to find billionaires from the none-Western world who fit your model of liberal traditions. Its racism in its modern day form.
In which case only those UEFA officials hostile to the UAE will be able to review this case. Knock-on effect maybe to delay the review as it would reduce the time when the required number of assessors were available.
I speculate that if this happens yet more evidence of bias in the process.
This is one problem with the idea that City will get a fair hearing. Every single day our club is attacked and criticised as cheats in the media. Liverpool fans typically besiege the BBC, Guardian and other media organisations flooding all comments pages with suggestions we are cheats, and the entire media is drowned out with allegations. Its deliberate and organised and has the effect of demonising City. City are labelled as fraudsters and cheats before any review and I do not think we will receive an independent hearing anywhere.
Many City fans assume that a Court will find in City's favour because if you are a City fan you know the facts and history of the case, and you know the nature of Etihad's sponsorship, and the rules about related parties etc, but what I don't think you appreciate is the hostility and racism towards the Arab world at every level of society. I've seen this all my life, and I do not trust the authorities one bit whether they be European Judges or officials connected to Switzerland. All of them look down on the Arab world.
Anyone who looks at the allegations, and the rules will see that UEFA's case against City is far from clear-cut, but you also have to realise that City are regarded by modern-day Nazis by Western liberals. They do not understand that the Middle-east is undemocratic precisely because their countries have been interfering in the region since throughout modern history, indeed Britain created the UAE, and arms and trades with it to this day. Step outside the borders of the Western world, and you will not find a democracy as is understand here. Are nationals of the none-Western world not to be trusted and treated as 2nd class because their countries are not part of the club?
The Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International lobby the Western world to point out the absences of equality etc but do not realise that the source of this inequality is the oppressive relationship between the West and the rest of the world. Any time the people of the Middle-East have engineered revolution the West has put them down...see the Iranian Revolutions as an example Mossadegh and then the fall of the Shah when France flew in the Ayatollah to head off the Tudeh Party inspired revolution that the West feared would hand Iran to the then Soviet Union...and what happened then? 40 years of Islamic unrest that has dominated the world for years...Islamic Fundamentalism only became an international phenomena after the Iranian Revolution so the West actually created this modern-day demon. It's not just Iran..I could give you plenty of other examples eg Nasser. Remember the Suez canal crisis when Egypt had a coup d'etat and a radical group of army officers took over Egypt and tried to steer the country towards an independence etc etc.
I am afraid that prejudice is everywhere and nowhere is it higher than in the realm of Western officialdom.
Imperialism, militarism, racism these are the defining features of geopolitics. It is a mistake to just look at this technically on the basis of the rulebook. You have also to look at the parties involved and the way they are regarded in this world.
We had a forerunner of this with Thaksin prior to the Sheikh Mansour takeover when large elements of the media and indeed some fans didn't like who he was. You'll have to look long and hard to find billionaires from the none-Western world who fit your model of liberal traditions. Its racism in its modern day form.
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MillionMilesAway
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Marcotti was speculating yesterday that Charles Flint maybe excluded from the review because of his links to Dubai.
In which case only those UEFA officials hostile to the UAE will be able to review this case. Knock-on effect maybe to delay the review as it would reduce the time when the required number of assessors were available.
If Flint is excluded, it's three from four:
Chairman is Portuguese
Vice-chairmen - Dutch, Swiss
Other member - Polish
why do you think that they are all hostile to the UAE?
It's just a general feeling I have of the outlook of people in that level of society.If Flint is excluded, it's three from four:
Chairman is Portuguese
Vice-chairmen - Dutch, Swiss
Other member - Polish
why do you think that they are all hostile to the UAE?
I am not anti-european, but in general EU officialdom is very much against the autocatic regimes. Think about the ethos of the european union, which UEFA is tied too. Free movement of people, markets etc. Politically and ethically they see themselves as the cutting edge of advanced society and they don't like paternalist societies that exist in the Middle-east. I don't know any of the individuals I just have a feeling for their outlook on the world, and I think they may look down on the UAE, and they will see City as a UAE project.
MillionMilesAway
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It's just a general feeling I have of the outlook of people in that level of society.
I am not anti-european, but in general EU officialdom is very much against the autocatic regimes. Think about the ethos of the european union, which UEFA is tied too. Free movement of people, markets etc. Politically and ethically they see themselves as the cutting edge of advanced society and they don't like paternalist societies that exist in the Middle-east. I don't know any of the individuals I just have a feeling for their outlook on the world, and I think they may look down on the UAE, and they will see City as a UAE project.
I don't think there's much ground to complain. Three are judges; the Pole is an ex sports minister (or something).
If Flint (a QC) misses out, at least 2 of the panel will therefore have full legal backgrounds; that's about as good as anyone would want to consider ramifications of what they might decide. Judges are by and large straight when viewing evidence.
TheRemainsOfTheDave
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Hmmm, these are the ones who missed their own ten-day deadline to refer their decision back to the investigatory chamber by a month or two in the PSG case*. Doesn't fill me with confidence, tbh.I don't think there's much ground to complain. Three are judges; the Pole is an ex sports minister (or something).
If Flint (a QC) misses out, at least 2 of the panel will therefore have full legal backgrounds; that's about as good as anyone would want to consider ramifications of what they might decide. Judges are by and large straight when viewing evidence.
*If I understand it correctly.
Rammy Blue
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Kicked out it seems....
Fucking laughable that he might get excluded from the process, however Parry and Gill can be involved in getting it this far.
GaudinoMotors
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Going to get so nasty this - UEFA know it. City won't just leave it at the decision if UEFA persist. They've done their homework all around this.
Can see an agreement.
Can see an agreement.
I think it's been discussed on this forum years ago when FFP was just being introduced. Our owners want FFP in place to stop other owners copying our business model. Once we get past this investigation and possible sanctions, there will be no holding City back. There is no question that we have been compliant with FFP since 2015 and are harping back to 2014 is the only stick they can find to beat us with. See out these next few months and no team in Europe will come close to City in the foreseeable future. You just have to see that the value of our club has gone up from ~£250m when we were bought by Sheik Mansour to over £2B now. A few more years and we'll surpass Real Madrid and Barca and be the most valuable club in Europe! & that is what they are ALL scared of!I’ve been told that because this is about a breach of Uefa rules that all clubs agreed to be bound by, if found guilty, City won’t be able to take this matter through the civil courts. Does anyone have any further detail about this?
As Martin Samuel said this week - Garry Cooke was right when he said we would be the best run football club in the world - and no one is laughing now!
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