UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[7evens]

But that was done all out in the open. So how can it be called shady ?

I think we have different definitions of "shady" in this instance, but that's fine.

 

[BlueLook]

We founded New York City and immediately loaned Lampard from them. We saved ourselves a tonne of money and got a useful squad player for a season. It wasn't the same as this Barca / Valencia agreement but it's fishy enough for UEFA to come sniffing, and as far as we're all aware they haven't done yet. My point is that it's hard for us to take the moral high-ground in this instance when we've exploited loopholes for our own gain in similar ways.

For example, we've bought players from football clubs we own before loaning them out to raise their value and profit from their eventual transfers. We've attempted this (or something similar) with Luke Brattan, Aaron Mooy, Anthony Caceres, Mix Diskerud, Jack Harrison, Eirik Johansen, David Villa, Angelino, Shay Facey, and Yangel Herrera. The loophole exists so we've exploited it, but that doesn't stop it from being shady.

Good Lord. I feel dirty.

 

[Proy]

... No, that's not what I think. We created New York City and then loaned Lampard from them.

I see! Anyone who doesn't have lovely, positive things to say about City is a "Rag".

I'm not entirely sure what is wrong in loaning a player off someone?

 

[7evens]

I'm not entirely sure what is wrong in loaning a player off someone?

I don't think we did anything wrong, but it's a little convenient to flag the agreement made between Barcelona and Valencia to circumvent FFP as something inherently corrupt when we ourselves have engaged in similar dealings with clubs we've literally founded.

 

[Newman Noggs]

We founded New York City and immediately loaned Lampard from them. We saved ourselves a tonne of money and got a useful squad player for a season. It wasn't the same as this Barca / Valencia agreement but it's fishy enough for UEFA to come sniffing, and as far as we're all aware they haven't done yet. My point is that it's hard for us to take the moral high-ground in this instance when we've exploited loopholes for our own gain in similar ways.

For example, we've bought players from football clubs we own before loaning them out to raise their value and profit from their eventual transfers. We've attempted this (or something similar) with Luke Brattan, Aaron Mooy, Anthony Caceres, Mix Diskerud, Jack Harrison, Eirik Johansen, David Villa, Angelino, Shay Facey, and Yangel Herrera. The loophole exists so we've exploited it, but that doesn't stop it from being shady.

I thought that might be what you meant but don't agree that it is at all "shady". Seems to me to be a viable and, above all, transparent business model.

 

[Proy]

I don't think we did anything wrong, but it's a little convenient to flag the agreement made between Barcelona and Valencia to circumvent FFP as something inherently corrupt when we ourselves have engaged in similar dealings with clubs we've literally founded.

The agreement between Barcelona and Valencia is not even close to being the same.

 

[7evens]

I thought that might be what you meant but don't agree that it is at all "shady". Seems to me to be a viable and, above all, transparent business model.

I don't think there's anything wrong with what we've done, but I don't view the Barcelona / Valencia agreement as being that different. They've openly traded a couple of players in such way that allows them to circumvent FFP, which I'm sure is something we'd be quietly applauding had we done something similar with, say, Chelsea, if we'd traded Caballero for Begovic back in 2017.

 

[7evens]

The agreement between Barcelona and Valencia is not even close to being the same.

Why are you jumping to such absolutist descriptions of my thoughts on this? I don't think they're the same, I just think they're similar enough to some of our own dealings that it's worth bringing our dealings up again.

 

[Parisian]

I don't think we did anything wrong, but it's a little convenient to flag the agreement made between Barcelona and Valencia to circumvent FFP as something inherently corrupt when we ourselves have engaged in similar dealings with clubs we've literally founded.

Yeah. What Barcelona and Valencia did is not shady. It is smart accounting.

Shady is more like when Barcelona bought Neymar for 40 something M€ and it turned out the transfer was worth close to 90 M€ (and even then, the true value is unknown).

 

[Proy]

I don't think there's anything wrong with what we've done, but I don't view the Barcelona / Valencia agreement as being that different. They've openly traded a couple of players in such way that allows them to circumvent FFP, which I'm sure is something we'd be quietly applauding had we done something similar with, say, Chelsea, if we'd traded Caballero for Begovic back in 2017.

Yes but we didn't, and haven't, effectively trade 2 players.

We paid a loan fee and his wages.

The two scenarios are not close to being comparable