UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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oakiecokie said:
NO !! Khaldoon did NOT take a pinch.It was the Club who took the pinch and no doubt it was after a lot of not only soul searching but advice from their Legal Team.Pisses me off no end when people make assumptions that in their opinion certain people at the our Club don`t have a spine.
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You know that's gibberish, right? Khaldoon is Chairman, the buck stops with him and the owner, no pinch would have been taken without his say so.

This isn't about spine, business isn't about who has the biggest balls, that's Alan Sugar bullshit. A corporate decision was made and whatever that pinch was it wasn't fucking Fight Club. Maybe the club will come out all guns blazing with battalions of lawyers and writs and shit, all I said was that nothing Khaldoon has done in the past would lead anyone to believe that an all out assault is naturally going to be our first course of action.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
He's been wumming all thread, on the premise of the need for debate.
He know absolutely fuck all about anything, as proven by his posts.
I pulled him earlier about it.

Sorry to hijack your post,
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No worries mate.
I’ve reported his bull shit.
The stuff he’s coming out with isn’t open up for debate as he’s not even got his own facts right.

As has been said before, clueless or on the WUM
 
stan bowles said:
Vinny on now speaking to Dan Roan about homelessness and knife crime. Vinny saying the investigation won't affect the players. They're focused on winning the next game.
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As introduced by that notorious leader of the city cabal at the beeb, Clive Myrie.
The cabal Of 1, that is.
 
Cobwebcat said:
This is strange timing indeed but from UEFA’s point of view.

Galatasaray win a FFP case v UEFA

FFP being ruled on soon in Belgium after it was taken to court AGAIN as illegal.

DS guy found guilty of all sorts and sent back to Portugal for trial.

You would think UEFA would be laying low, at least for now.

What a time to go for City. No wonder City welcome it. It’s like a beaten up drunk deciding to have a go at a UFC fighter.

All for show?
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The hacker will soon be in Portugal. Portuguese prosecutor’s will start pouring over the ton of evidence. Who’s been putting money into his account? What else is in the emails - they can’t all relate to us. There’s a shit storm brewing - and it could tear European Football and UEFA apart.
 
OmgOgs said:
Well I don't think that's true. We got lucky timing wise with the crazy TV money that came in. City have always had a sound reputation with a lot of respect for your support. Theres still a lot of genuine fondness for City.
Of course the media always want a baddy in football and yourselves and PSG fit that role now. It's just a pantomime villainry really though, so dont pay it any heed.
Hopefully you will just get a slap on the wrist and a small fine. I don't know why clubs cant spend their own money anyway.
Nothings fair in football and war.
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Trojan horse alert!
 
squirtyflower said:
No worries mate.
I’ve reported his bull shit.
The stuff he’s coming out with isn’t open up for debate as he’s not even got his own facts right.

As has been said before, clueless or on the WUM
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I don't usually bother, but he harps on about something he obviously know nothing about.
I'm not that au fait with all the ins and outs, hence my non input on the subject.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You know that's gibberish, right? Khaldoon is Chairman, the buck stops with him and the owner, no pinch would have been taken without his say so.

This isn't about spine, business isn't about who has the biggest balls, that's Alan Sugar bullshit. A corporate decision was made and whatever that pinch was it wasn't fucking Fight Club. Maybe the club will come out all guns blazing with battalions of Lawyers and Writs and shit, all I said was that nothing Khaldoon has done would lead anyone to believe that is naturally going to be our first course of action.
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In that case you should just let the powers that be at City,continue with what they believe is the correct manner in how to tame these so called bully boys.
You also forget that Khaldoon also has a "Boss".
 
The perfect fumble said:
You know that's gibberish, right? Khaldoon is Chairman, the buck stops with him and the owner, no pinch would have been taken without his say so.

This isn't about spine, business isn't about who has the biggest balls, that's Alan Sugar bullshit. A corporate decision was made and whatever that pinch was it wasn't fucking Fight Club. Maybe the club will come out all guns blazing with battalions of Lawyers and writs and shit, all I said was that nothing Khaldoon has done in the past would lead anyone to believe that all out assault is naturally going to be our first course of action.
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Khaldoon works for people who you can be damn sure don't like to lose and won't intend to lose this one.
 
bobmcfc said:
This hacker that got arrested ? Exactly what was he arrested for and can it be proven that he stole Mcfc documents ? Also can he be linked with DS ? If so will they face charges for obtaining them ?
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Yes, the hacker that's on his way back to Portugal. Arrested for 'hacking' in layman's terms, and admitted to it iirc (can defo be connected MCFC). He gave everything to Football Leaks, and they are working with DS; this means (again, layman's terms) material is 'in the public domain' when released so DS and others can comment and 'report' all they like.
There should no doubt be details and caveats in that answer but I guessed the short version would suit you.
 
Can't wait to see this put to bed once and for all. We've jumped through hoops for these fuckers and played along to their merry tune. And guess what WE'RE STILL HERE!!!

They have attempted to de rail us since we first qualified for the champions league. We have always been one step ahead of them and they know it. UEFA are acting on what the majority of the established want them to do.

They will find nothing, and hopefully leave gaping holes in their probe for us to exploit and blow the whole thing out of the water.
 
fortunate son said:
I NEED to hear what @Prestwich_Blue thinks of this development.
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I've posted this on Twitter. It's in response to Christoph Winterbach of Der Spiegel, who I've been talking to for a while.

Doing my response this way as that means I can do a proper thread. Let me try to clear this up as I understand it. FFP is clear that owners or related parties to them can inject funds via sponsorships. But the definition of a related party can be subjective. It's set out in the accounting standard IAS24 & City (and their auditors) maintain that none of the Abu Dhabi companies are related parties under this. If they were then the transactions would have to be specified as such in the accounts and they aren't. UEFA may dispute this.

If they were related parties then those deals have to be at 'fair market value'. The main Etihad deal was deemed to be FMV by UEFA so should be fireproof, regardless of where the money originated. So any issue is with the other sponsorships - Etisalat, Aabar & Visit Abu Dhabi. The argument is therefore presumably (a) whether these are related parties & if so (b) whether the deals are therefore FMV. If not (a) then (b) doesn't apply. UEFA's auditors claimed that they were related parties and they were overvalued. That might have to be tested in court.

As well as IAS24, UEFA have self-defined a related party as any entities from a connected source, eg Abu Dhabi state companies. These are not allowed to contribute >30% of total revenue and I believe they don't (it's maybe 20% at the very most). So that's not an issue either. So the core issue may be whether the other three companies are related parties under IAS24 & whether the deals are FMV. however if this only relates to the 2012/13 year then it's questionable whether UEFA could revisit the 2014 settlement agreement.

Your own articles said that UEFA knew of these deals in 2014 and had questioned them but we failed anyway & were sanctioned. The Galatasaray CAS ruling possibly closes the route of a re-opened punishment but there's the potential issue around source of funds/timing. If this additional funding carried on after the 2014 agreement then this may be a key issue for investigation. UEFA would presumably want to check whether it was disguised owner investment so would have to conclusively prove that these funds came from ADUG/Sheikh Mansour. As we discussed my firm understanding is that Abu Dhabi protocol means 'His Highness', when not followed by a name, refers to Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed (MBZ). 'His Highness Sheikh Mansour Bin Zayed' would be specified in the case of Sheikh Mansour.

I can't imagine UEFA has any power to compel any Abu Dhabi company to open its books so the investigation would focus purely on City. If UEFA can't prove that these companies are related parties or that the source of funds is ADUG then they have, in my view, no case. This is only my personal view based on my knowledge of the FFP regulations. I've had no input from City and have only seen the documents you've chosen to publish so it's also based on my reading of those.

There may be other avenues or issues for them to investigate but I have no knowledge of what these may be. I note that City have welcomed the investigation & I think it's needed to clear this up once and for all. The question is whether people will accept it if City are cleared.
 
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