UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[crazyg]

If 3 weeks isn't long enough to review and make a preliminary summary on a 100 page document then that is not City's problem. I used to read more than 100 pages of Harry Potter on a Saturday when I was about 11 years old.

But did you find him guilty and recommend a 12 monh ban from Hogwarts?

 

[@BluePhil8]

But did you find him guilty and recommend a 12 monh ban from Hogwarts?

No I didn't really read any of it just sat in my bedroom and played PS2 for hours and then passed the book on to the Chamber of Secrets to decide.

 

[Parisian]

What I would really like to know is how much can (For example) Real Madrid spend compared with City? If FFP allows Real Madrid to spend £100m more than everyone else then that needs highlighting, that would win the hearts and minds of the general footballing public when it comes to FFP. But how much are the "Favoured" clubs allowed to spend compared to everyone else.

The rules are (As I understand it) that clubs can spend 5m EUR more than they earn, with debts allowed up to 45m EUR - Per assessment period. But how much does that give lets says United to spend more than everyone else? Unfairness needs exposing but no one seems to want to do that.

Real Madrid has the advantage of being "owned by socios" (they have some fiscal advantages) and having unfair TV rights compared to their peers in la Liga.
On top of that, they generate a shit ton of revenues. By FFP standard, they are well in their right to spend the aforementioned 400/500 M€ this summer.

Almost their whole squad is fully amortized, which means any sale will provide a lot of funds in FFP context. They are signing the biggest manufacturer kit deal ever with Adidas, on par with Barcelona and Nike, around 150 M per year.
I really dislike that club and their methods (tapping up the players and making them cause ruckus to armstrong the non-willing selling club) but they are very well managed and are very rich and wealthy.
They were lucky (or not) to have built most of their terrific squad before any FFP was created and they have been able to spend sporadically since then. Now, they can spend big.

City and PSG can't really complain about spending. With MU and Barcelona, we are the biggest spending clubs in the world in the past few years. Real Madrid has been modest in that regard.

 

[hello]

"The appeal filed at the CAS on 3 October 2018 by Paris Saint-Germain against the decision issued on 19 September 2018 by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA (to reopen the case) is upheld and the challenged decision is set aside," CAS said in a statement.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_5937_decision.pdf

Appeal filed on 3 October 2018 and decision of CAS given on 19 March 2019.

That’s a really long time given all they needed to do in psg’s Case was count days

 

[razman]

hmmmm....so basically delayed it further

 

[aguero93:20]

hmmmm....so basically delayed it further

He's clueless. We're appealing against a lack of due process, not a decision. On top of that, the decision has been arrived at, just not the sanction.

 

[Jazzman]

hmmmm....so basically delayed it further

Hang on does that make sense? City appeals to CAS to stop a UEFA trial, but the appeal will fail because UEFA does not allow it ... Where is the logic in that? I thought CAS was independent of and above UEFA.

 

[Parisian]

That’s a really long time given all they needed to do in psg’s Case was count days

It is really stupid because they gave the same verdict for the very same appeal/case of Galatasaray 1 month before, on 15 Feburary 2019 while they appealed later (on 15 October 2018).

15th February 2019


The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has issued its decision in the appeal arbitration procedure between the Turkish football club Galatasaray Sportif Sinai ve Ticari Yatirimlar A.Ş. (Galatasaray) and the Union Européenne de Football Association (UEFA).


The appeal filed on 15 October 2018 by Galatasaray against UEFA with respect to the decision rendered by the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Adjudicatory Chamber (UEFA CFCB Adjudicatory Chamber) on 5 October 2018 is upheld.

 

[razman]

from the article

The Uefa rules governing the club financial control body (CFCB), which administers compliance with FFP, provide for clubs’ right to appeal against “a final decision of the CFCB”. City have not yet had a final decision, the case having at this stage been referred by the investigatory chamber (IC) to the adjudicatory chamber (AC).


In a ruling last year on an appeal by Milan against a two-year ban from European competition (which was overturned), Cas found that such a referral could not be appealed against.


The Cas panel, which included a Manchester-based lawyer, Mark Hovell, and a judge and a law professor based in Switzerland, found the right of appeal applies to a final decision made by the AC, which rules on the case and decides on any punishment.


Milan had appealed against the two-year ban imposed by the AC for alleged FFP breaches, and also the decision by the IC to refer the club rather than reach a settlement agreement.


“The panel finds that the applicable rules [governing the CFCB] do not provide for a separate appeal against the referral decision,” the judgment stated.

The panel concluded that as a referral by the IC does not involve any sanction or punishment, it is not a final decision which affects a club’s legal position. The judgment also noted that when the AC makes a final decision, it explicitly notifies a club in writing that it can appeal to Cas within 10 days. No such notification is given by the IC when it refers a club to the AC, because the right of appeal does not apply, the panel found.

 

[roy.or.r]

Fuck knows what's going on. City and UEFA- better love story than Twilight.

 

[Norbiton]

hmmmm....so basically delayed it further

But haven't CAS already said they're considering our appeal? Surely if they were going by the precedent Conn quotes they would immediately say they couldn't consider it?

 

[roxy]

But if the rumours are correct it’s not a decision we’re appealing against, it’s a matter of procedure.

 

[razman]

But haven't CAS already said they're considering our appeal? Surely if they were going by the precedent Conn quotes they would immediately say they couldn't consider it?

But if the rumours are correct it’s not a decision we’re appealing against, it’s a matter of procedure.

yes , pretty sure City's lawyers would have made that explicit when filing the appeal. Think Conn's article is highlighting what has similarly happened previously with Milan.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

But haven't CAS already said they're considering our appeal? Surely if they were going by the precedent Conn quotes they would immediately say they couldn't consider it?

That depends on how you interpret 'considering'. First they'd read it, and ask UEFA for their opinion and whichr egs they think apply. Until that time, 'considering' is a valid term.

 

[domalino]

hmmmm....so basically delayed it further

He's clueless. We're appealing against a lack of due process, not a decision. On top of that, the decision has been arrived at, just not the sanction.

I feel like between the 3 top law firms the club hired, someone would have worked out whether they could appeal or not before lodging an appeal.

Whatever happens, this isn't going to catch the club out. Either they knew they couldn't appeal and getting this appeal knocked back is part of their strategy, or they know it won't get knocked back.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

yes , pretty sure City's lawyers would have made that explicit when filing the appeal. Think Conn's article is highlighting what has similarly happened previously with Milan.

It's a reasonable comparison, if not quite like for like. It makes sense that you can only appeal against a decision.

I think in this case City are challenging the process, and may not be 'appealing' against anything. One for UEFA and CAS regs, I think.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

But haven't CAS already said they're considering our appeal? Surely if they were going by the precedent Conn quotes they would immediately say they couldn't consider it?

Obviously Conn thinks he knows more than one of the top lawyers from one of the top firms in the world

 

[Blue Mist]

He's clueless. We're appealing against a lack of due process, not a decision. On top of that, the decision has been arrived at, just not the sanction.

But it serves the purpose of keeping his rag sycophants happy as they will now sleep better under their Piano man duvets. Conn hasn't managed a decent word about city in 15 years and this is just another lie printed by a penis

 

[moomba]

79(b). Can't copy it from my phone but it seems to me that UEFAs position is that the referral decision can be appealed against but it has to be lodged within 10 days and Milan took too long.

 

[cjn]

It's beyond common to lodge an appeal or a complaint that has a 20% chance of success but is still worth doing on balance. Clueless journalists who know nothing about legal procedure probably shouldn't comment.