UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Ardwick Green Blue]

We don’t need to circumnavigate FFP anymore. The issue we are fighting relates back to 2014 !!!

We will if we receive a CL ban. That's a big chunk of revenue missing.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

We don't need to take ffp to court, we would probably sponsor somebody else to do it, like the bosman lawyer.

Wasn’t the difficulty with the Dupont farce that he couldn’t argue that he was representing an affected party, so the Belgian and European Courts have spent 4 years kicking the case back to one another, without anyone being prepared to accept responsibility for it. A case that takes years to be heard would not suit City if we were banned in the interim.
Placing our faith in CAS seems our only option, and honestly I wouldn’t know what to expect there. What I do believe is that after all the very deliberate media hysteria, I’m not convinced we could get a fair trial anywhere outside of a State Court. Still, there are probably political forces at play that may assist us

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Am I being thick,uefa have a rule in place that prevents teams from challenging ffp in court,what absolute bollocks no organisation is above judicial law of any kind,.

No.
The agreement prevents challenging FFP punishments in court.
It is highly unlikely to be impossible to challenge the whole system.

It's like salary caps. Generally, they would be against the law, but if all concerned agree to abide by them, then the law will only notice if asked about it.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Am I being thick,uefa have a rule in place that prevents teams from challenging ffp in court,what absolute bollocks no organisation is above judicial law of any kind,.

It’s not really a rule though, it’s an agreement. They didn’t just make it up, it’s been signed off by the ECA clubs of which we are one.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Two words: Peter Walton.

Here was a referee who tried to systematically screw us over. M.C.F.C. wasted no time whatsoever in compiling evidence against him and low and behold he was ushered off to the USA like a gooden.

This assault from the cartel (UEFA) is personal now as far as Sheik Mansour is concerned. What I'm referring to when I say these protectionist clubs are fucked is just that.

The sheik has the financial clout to take these clubs on single handedly. He doesn't have to rely on finances generated from M.C.F.C.

As far as players leaving our club because of lack of CL football you're right. Some will, some won't.

One thing is for sure we will have something other club managers would give their right arm for: "a siege mentality".
Couple that with a champions mentality and there isn't a football club in Europe that can offer that.

The point I'm making is this: Provoke us and you're fucked, leave us be and you're slightly less fucked.

Take them on where?

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

...and if we want to press charges we could leave the ECA.

I’d be surprised if you can do that retrospectively

 

[Tracking back]

Take them on where?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

I don't know is the honest answer to that. But here's something to consider. If Sheik Mansour feels he's being shafted do you think he'll just pack up and say "oh well, it was good while it lasted "

Take a look at his personal and commercial wealth and portfolios of his successful businesses across the globe.

You don't get to achieve that level of business acumen by being a pushover.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Seems to me that unless our appeal forbids it then UEFA will issue their judgement ( next week if rumours are to be believed) and then this current appeal ( against the referral process) will be considered together with City's further appeal against the details and validity of any punishment handed down.
City are probably aware of this and IMO the current appeal represents a warning shot across UEFA's bows that our final appeal will be substantial and significant and will be two pronged against both the process and the judgement.

I see this being the case too.
Very well put.

 

[laserblue]

Here's a scenario.

You're charged with a crime you didn't commit but you're confident you have sufficient evidence to prove you're innocent and get the case dismissed. At your trial your lawyer attempts to present said evidence in your defence but the judge refuses to consider it. In the meanwhile the judge has already leaked to the press that you're going to be found guilty and even told them what punishment you'll be getting. Then the judge finds you guilty, remands you for sentencing and closes the case.

Ladies and gentlemen, UEFA in a nutshell.

 

[Chappie]

Do you lot think that City's lawyers aren't aware of that clause.
It's not Bodge it,Dodge it and scarper we've employed to fight this case.
Give the club some credit

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

We have seen these type of rules challenged and defeated in European courts of law before in the Bosman ruling, below is a short extract of national and UEFA rules being completely overturned in a Court when UEFA thought they could do as they wish.

‘The Bosman ruling also prohibited domestic football leagues in EU member states, and also UEFA, from imposing quotas on foreign players to the extent that they discriminated against nationals of EU states. At that time, many leagues placed quotas restricting the number of non-nationals allowed on member teams. Also, UEFA had a rule that prohibited teams in its competitions, namely the Champions League, Cup Winners' Cup and UEFA Cup, from naming more than three "foreign" players in their squads for any game. After the ruling, quotas could still be imposed, but could only be used to restrict the number of non-EU players on each team’.

Many ‘legally binding’ agreements are challenged in real Courts all the time, whether they are minor like ‘pre-nups’ or major cases such as massive companies creating ‘Cartels’ and stitching up competitors from challenging their dominant positions in whichever field they are operating in.

The thing that usually prevents such challenges is the money such challenges cost.

I am sure our owners are aware of the variances of our challenge to UEFA, I have no idea how far they are willing to pursue that challenge but they have definitely drawn the line in the sand and the Chairman looked very determined in his end of season interview.

Remember their are several cases against us at the moment, this initial challenge is important for all of them.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

I’m more irked by the potential reputational damage. If CAS doesn’t find in our favour, not necessarily with this current appeal but rather the one that might (ha ha) follow a guilty verdict from the Adjudicatory Chamber, then it’s going to be open season in the media and from fans of all other clubs. The hysteria will be off the scale. Also, if the threat of legal action via the Courts is off the table, then there would appear to be little to deter UEFA from handing out a punishment that goes well beyond a one year ban. I’ve said before, this is the only chance these spiteful little bastards have. Wounding us temporarily is no good to them. They want and need us dead in the water. All we can do is put our faith in the club and its lawyers to succeed. I want to beat these fuckers with every fibre of my being

In total agreement with you about the potential reputational damage etc.

Just to be clear on one thing though is that the Castles story is not breaking any new ground. The goal posts have not moved with the new ECA/UEFA MoU in February.

The earlier MoUs have also been binding and, looking back at the 2015 version, the wording is IDENTICAL to the 2019 update for the sections covering CAS as the last source of recourse and exclusion of another court.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Do you lot think that City's lawyers aren't aware of that clause.
It's not Bodge it,Dodge it and scarper we've employed to fight this case.
Give the club some credit

I'm with you and of course they are aware of the clauses which, as I said above, have been around for ages. THis isn't new.

 

[oakiecokie]

I wonder if CAS will take into consideration that we historically signed up to the rules yet our 100 page document will clearly show that uefa disregard their own rules and procedures so they misled us into signing their paperwork?

I bet a pound to a penny that is what our Legal Team will be edging towards,as part of their (City) findings and within our 100 page documents.

 

[Sir peace frog]

what about our "army of lawyers" what about "we will ruin UEFA" what about "taking a pinch" all blah blah blah ,we need to fight fire with fire, hack the fuck out of everyone else's emails, dig up dirt, its the only thing these bent ****s know.

 

[citizen_maine]

I wonder if CAS will take into consideration that we historically signed up to the rules yet our 100 page document will clearly show that uefa disregard their own rules and procedures so they misled us into signing their paperwork?

I'd say CAS are more likely to be concerned with whether or not UEFA have implemented their own rules and procedures correctly

 

[OB1]

Take them on where?

Perhaps our lawyers can see a way to go to the Swiss Courts, if necessary.

If UEFA try to impose a ban on us that is unreasonable by bending their rules to suit or by ignoring facts, we may have cause for legal action in the jurisdiction that governs the MOU, which I've not read beyond scanning what's on previous pages.

I don't know Swiss Law and I'm not expert on English Law but I've had plenty of interaction with legal folk in my working life and even had to study the basics of contract law as part of my training way back. I am pretty sure that in UK contracts can be deemed unenforceable or parts can. Also, parties to a contract often end up having legal disputes over those contracts. The thing often is that you have to go to court to find out.

We have at least one experienced lawyer who uses this forum who could comment but I have seen nothing yet to convince me City cannot make a legal challenge in court but I'd like to hear an expert opinion because I may be wrong.

 

[nmc]

Do you lot think that City's lawyers aren't aware of that clause.
It's not Bodge it,Dodge it and scarper we've employed to fight this case.
Give the club some credit

I did hear we’d hired some no win no fee outfit in Fallowfield... I’m sure they’ll run rings around UEFA.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Interesting read...

https://www.goal.com/en/news/footba...rturn-ffp-in-court/1jtln6fw19enj1pwwn7sm11m7t

 

[Jazzman]

We don't need to take ffp to court, we would probably sponsor somebody else to do it, like the bosman lawyer.

Now there is a good point