UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Roachy]

Clever! Only, there was never any need for it to come from Mansour as ADEC were the ones propping Etihad up. If this is the crux of UEFA's main beef with us, are they really that thick - once it's been explained to them - to assume HH is still Sheikh Mansour? That's some serious fucking straw clutching from UEFA if it is indeed the case!

I mentioned this yesterday. Would they really be that ignorant? It would be astonishing really.

 

[willipp]

The M.E.N might but I doubt any of the others will.

I can understand why emails suggesting that ADUG maybe funding the Etihad sponsorship have become big news so by the same token evidence that it was covered by the Abu Dhabi Executive should be newsworthy too. Unless of course the objective is to smear.

Over to you David Conn. This is your territory. If you've got any integrity you will run this.

Is such evidence relevant to the CAS enquiry? I am confused as to the scope of their investigation.

I can hear the tapping of keyboards rushing to break this story. Oh wait, no sorry it was just the wind blowing.

 

[supercity88]

Clever! Only, there was never any need for it to come from Mansour as ADEC were the ones propping Etihad up. If this is the crux of UEFA's main beef with us, are they really that thick - once it's been explained to them - to assume HH is still Sheikh Mansour? That's some serious fucking straw clutching from UEFA if it is indeed the case!

No exactly. And as I have just posted, why wouldn't we get a larger injection to beat FFP. Yes FFP targets were altered last minute which gave us no chance anyway, but no business would get an injection from an owner and still miss targets and face punishment. It doesn't make sense. UEFA clearly felt they had to act on this because they have wider interests pushing them to punish City. PSG are safe because they have friends at the top table now. But our enemies still want to punish us anyway they can and regardless of facts

 

[Saddleworth2]

Makes me wonder what UEFA have actually got.

If it's just this then surely even they wouldn't go with this as justification added to the state of the 'investigation' process they'd be shooting themselves in both feet.

The actual evidence isn’t the main focus of CAS. It’s simply ‘did UEFA follow their own procedures and governance in conducting their investigation of us’. The only place the evidence would be tested with rigour is in court. I sincerely hope if CAS overturn the ban, we don’t stop at that, we make sure that the evidence is properly reviewed and we are found to have done nothing wrong. Win that case and then go after the media. I can dream....

 

[Gordyola]

Just a query (as an IT person from the days of punched cards and paper tape - for youngsters that is the 1960/70s) .........................
How do we know the 'leaked emails' haven't been 'doctored' to make us look guilty?
In the good old days I used to be able to change punch cards and paper tape by filling in the holes.
And I could change data in computer files - and I wasn't a hacker just someone knowing my way around computer systems and data storage.
Also it is so easy today to amend anything once it is on a computer.Photoshopping is a typical example.

Exactly, The club have always maintain silence on this so if City say that the emails were faked, or changed, then how could UEFA prove otherwise? After all all obtained illegally

 

[Saddleworth2]

The M.E.N might but I doubt any of the others will.

I can understand why emails suggesting that ADUG maybe funding the Etihad sponsorship have become big news so by the same token evidence that it was covered by the Abu Dhabi Executive should be newsworthy too. Unless of course the objective is to smear.

Over to you David Conn. This is your territory. If you've got any integrity you will run this.

Is such evidence relevant to the CAS enquiry? I am confused as to the scope of their investigation.

The main focus of Cas will be did Uefa follow their own processes and governance in investigating us. There is good evidence that they didn’t.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

From Der-Spiegel leaked email analysis
"As we discussed, the annual direct obligation for Aabar is GBP 3 million," Pearce wrote. "The remaining 12 million GBP requirement will come from alternative sources provided by His Highness."

With just a single sentence, Pearce confirmed the accusations that his club had repeatedly, indignantly rejected: Namely, that His Highness, Sheikh Mansour, paid a portion of the sponsoring money himself!

Der-Spiegel have clearly assumed that His Highness is Sheikh Mansour

Pearce, highly experienced Abu Dhabi protocol, won's have made a simple mistake as BlueAnorak said above doing so leads to being bollocked

I am confused here. How should Sheikh Mansour be referred to in an email?

 

[Manchester1894]

Wonder if seasoncards might finally be reduced?

 

[give it to gordon]

I am confused here. How should Sheikh Mansour be referred to in an email?

HE = His Excellency

 

[Gordyola]

Clever! Only, there was never any need for it to come from Mansour as ADEC were the ones propping Etihad up. If this is the crux of UEFA's main beef with us, are they really that thick - once it's been explained to them - to assume HH is still Sheikh Mansour? That's some serious fucking straw clutching from UEFA if it is indeed the case!

Der Spiegel assumed that HH is Sheikh Mansour

From hacked email "The remaining 12 million GBP requirement will come from alternative sources provided by His Highness."

With just a single sentence, Pearce confirmed the accusations that his club had repeatedly, indignantly rejected: Namely, that His Highness, Sheikh Mansour, paid a portion of the sponsoring money himself!

 

[Claytop]

Is there no issue with Khaldoon being part of the Executive Council though, if that's where City are saying the sponsorship money came from?

 

[Sheriff Fatman]

Is there no issue with Khaldoon being part of the Executive Council though, if that's where City are saying the sponsorship money came from?

He's an employee, not a benefactor.

 

[blueinsa]

If its not the Etihad sponsorship, it will be something else.

This is an attempt to finish the club as a meaningful opponent to the old G14 and they will not stop attacking unless we go all out to try and finish them first.

Either they will succeed or we will change the face of European club football forever here imo.

 

[manimanc]

The more it goes on the more see through UEFA's case becomes.
This is just like a gang of gobshites getting a quiet kid to go and shout at a another gang who are a bit handy whilst hiding behind a brick wall, I think UEFA have been handed a loaded gun and don't know how the fuck to use it.

I just feel we're in control here and hold all the aces.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I am confused here. How should Sheikh Mansour be referred to in an email?

Personally, I think it's perfectly plausible that the people involved in this particular conversation COULD have referred to Sheikh Mansour simply as HH. After all, I don't think SM himself was cc'd and it certainly wasn't intended for wider distribution. So, I don't think it's as simple as just saying HH can't possibly be Sheikh Mansour.

But, obviously, HH doesn't mean it MUST be Sheikh Mansour. It could just as plausibly refer to any number of people as we don't know the context in which this conversation took place. The participants will have all been in no doubt who it referred to.

Either way, this case isn't going to suddenly flip by City simply saying "By the way, HH is Sheikh Mohamed not Sheikh Mansour." I would imagine they're going to have to prove it.

 

[Lee won pen]

I thought HH was Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed? Whatever, it's certainly not Sheikh Mansour and the emails said HH would "arrange" the extra funding. That funding comes from Abu Dhabi, probably the Executive Council, not ADUG so it's not owner investment.

What I assume has happened is that all the due monies were sent to ADUG for onward transmission to City and that Soriano's request to Pearce to have these split out is precisely because they need to ensure we avoid accusations of equity funds being mixed up with partnership revenue. Which is exactly what I'd expect from an organisation trying to ensure everything was whiter than white.

I’m confused about this aspect. I have seen various assertions that through protocol HH refers to Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed, as you say PB, however other (official) sources aslso refer to Sheikh Mansour as HH?

https://www.mubadala.com/en/who-we-...s-highness-sheikh-mansour-bin-zayed-al-nahyan

 

[Gordyola]

Makes me wonder what UEFA have actually got.

If it's just this then surely even they wouldn't go with this as justification added to the state of the 'investigation' process they'd be shooting themselves in both feet.

In their haste, due to the 5 year limit, with the pressure from the G14 clubs being keen to nobble City Leterme. chief investigator, has not analysed the evidence. Leterme was previously criticised by the regulator chamber chairman when he chose to ignore his own appointed expert. who recommended that PSG's sponsorship was not worth anywhere near the 100M and decide to use the PSG appointed consult who said it was

 

[Marvin]

The UEFA investigation was opened beccause the Der Spiegel emails suggested that City had inflated and sourced some of the UAE sponsorships.

If UEFA have been given evidence that categorically refutes that, then surely UEFA and their staff will ultimately be in very hot water.

I think this could be the end of UEFA but I am not sure that CAS are the body that can deal with this.

City's statement concludes that with this prejudicial process now over, the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity.

I think City will sue UEFA. So far the media have reported that it is Manchester City on trial when it is going to be UEFA as well.

 

[M18CTID]

Der Spiegel assumed that HH is Sheikh Mansour

From hacked email "The remaining 12 million GBP requirement will come from alternative sources provided by His Highness."

With just a single sentence, Pearce confirmed the accusations that his club had repeatedly, indignantly rejected: Namely, that His Highness, Sheikh Mansour, paid a portion of the sponsoring money himself!

Cheers. Yeah, I know DS said it but for UEFA to believe it as well would be nothing short of astonishing, even for those bent bastards!

 

[The perfect fumble]

Excellent. Well worth watching. Thanks for posting and thanks Prestwich Blue!!

For Madrid they've got the Prestwich Blue range in the club shop....