UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[SouthStandStander]

Only a matter of time before a few hidings are dished out. Like anything in life if you constantly slag off someones passion then expect an aggressive response.

Exactly. There is only so much people can take. It seems inevitable that it will happen. But I know for sure no blame will be laid on the journalists back.

 

[John Wayne]

He's gone down in my estimation because he's firmly set himself against City's ownership and has lost objectivity on this subject.

I accept his right to hold and express a different opinion about a topic, but I thought it was quite poor on his part that he took PB's information and failed to acknowledge its particular significance in respect of the allegations stemming from Football Leaks.

He failed to understand the significance of the work PB had done. The lack of understanding about this issue is a shocking indictment of journalistic integrity and thoroughness. It all stems from the blind misconception that the CFG is state-owned. It is not. David Conn seems to think that it is some sort of revelation that an airline that has always been owned by the state, received a cash injection from.... wait for it.... the state. Who else was supposed to meet Etihad's financial commitments, David? The Pope? If you're reading, David, I can give you an exclusive - bears s**t in the woods.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It's not resting, it's passed on.

Len has a point...

Dazed and confused here.
The other day I felt reasonably optimistic that the funding of the sponsorship argument was boxed off in our favour in that the 'extra' Etihad money came from a non related party the Abu Dhabi Executive Council (EC).
Now it appears the money may have come from the EC originally but was channelled through ADUG.
ADUG are not a post office and if the money came from ADUG it came from ADUG.
ADUG ( unlike the EC) ARE a related party and that would mean we have broken FFP rules?

If the top up money for the sponsorship came from ADUG, the fact that the money was originally sent to ADUG by the EC is immaterial.

These things matter.

 

[come-on-barney]

Just get the feeling that although we are still getting a media hammering Uefa aren't coming out of this too well either. Perhaps the pendulum will swing.

Our case aside, I think more and more are speaking out against FFP. Think longer term this could be the end of it.

 

[Uffa]

Isn't the fact we went to CAS the basis for their second charge against City, this was the non cooperation, or am I mistaken in this?

I think the "non cooperation" was because you refused to show the full text of the implicated emails. I'm not sure though, this whole thing is a mess.

I get what @Ric is saying about our anger towards journalists poor reporting and constant bias against our club.
However, I think it is the journalists that need to be careful. There is only so much crap that will be tolerated before some pissed up blue takes it beyond words and meets them at the press entrance at the Etihad.
Then our whole fan base will be made out to be thugs.
I don't condone violence at all and urge all blues to avoid any confrontation with them. I just think it is the journalists responsibility to think about the bile the are writing and how it is pandering to non blues whilst at the same time infuriating blues of all ages and walks of life.
Because on match day there will be 50,000+ blues there. at least a few of them may be of the nature to whack a journalist and not give 2 hoots about the consequences.

I don't really agree that someone should decide what to write in a paper based on whether some criminal scum could beat them black and blue for it.

 

[bewildered]

Len has a point...


If the top up money for the sponsorship came from ADUG, the fact that the money was originally sent to ADUG by the EC is immaterial.

These things matter.

Actually you are wrong. Money can be moved via any number of bank accounts between businesses, its where it starts and ends that matters, along with the correct cross invoicing or other mechanism of recording the movements such as an inter co loan etc.

I agree it looks worse than we would like but its not illegal and is done all the time between business entities for all sorts of reasons.

 

[hcblue95]

https://www.captiongenerator.com/16...tys-Champions-League-ban#.Xkls6GrlrmY.twitter

Don't know if anyone has seen this, but someone on redcafe has made it, it's actually quite funny to be fair. I don't know if it's just because I have mates who are united fans, but I find the dippers 10x as insufferable as the rags.

 

[Len Rum]

I've not read the latest 30-40 pages so perhaps I've missed something, but having sponsorship from a related party isn't against the rules anyway. They have to announce it as such, but as long as it's market value then it's not an issue anyway? Can't see why we'd disguise it if that's right.

Not my understanding mate.
Under FFP owners cannot channel investment into a club by giving someone else money to sponsor us.

 

[Marvin]

Good article
https://1.ftb.al/aECamGX2a4

it's well written but it still ends up arguing that City broke the rules...

"We know this because an organisation called Football Leaks hacked into the club’s e-mails last year and revealed – via German magazine Der Spiegel – how the reigning Premier League champions had supposedly duped Uefa by over-inflating their Etihad sponsorship deal while also deploying various other elaborate schemes aimed at circumventing FFP regulations."

Yesterday PB found that report stating that the Etihad sponsorship was covered by the UAE state... so these claims are at most unproven, if not already disproved.

It carries more credits than minuses though and makes some good points that typically don't get made so I agree it was a good article

 

[waspish]

I actually agree with what Marvin said earlier. Some of the rhetoric should be toned down a bit. Journalists are taking the more extreme quotes and making generalisations of our entire fanbase on the basis of it. There are plenty of ways to criticise certain journalists and publications without resorting to veiled threats and overly abusive language. Don't give them the ammunition they desperately crave. As others on here have shown, it's far more effective to highlight their ignorance of the subject at hand, and at times rank hypocrisy, in a considered manner rather than just venting anger at them (as tempting as that is at times).

Its weird the journalists take the shit out of Man City support and the club the club is very accommodating as in not banning the media they write endless shit about us! But it’s us fans that have to tone it down!? Sorry that the problem anything bad said about Liverpool and Liverpool are on it like a ton of bricks even had a journalist sacked because they didn’t like an article!

Yeah let’s Man City and City supporters turn the other never ending cheek which is red raw!

 

[wattle]

HEY JOURNO'S. Hope you are having a lovely day. Whilst you're cutting and pasting, have a listen to Adrian Durham on drive last night (just go on listen again on talksport.com - I'm sure you can get someone young in the office to show you how to do it) and also read Martin Samual's articles over the last few days. These are two journalists that are not City, United, Liverpool or Arsenal fans - so unbiased - and look how they have KNOWLEDGE about what they are talking and writing about. Because of their skill and confidence in their professional ability, they can form a balanced and un biased view and not to scared shitless that they must write and speak about what their bosses agenda is instructing them to write. Professionalism guys and girls - go on I'm sure one or two of you have it lurking in there somewhere. Ok I know some of you are just sewer rats, but surely there's on or two more of you with an ounce of professionalism and pride left in you. REACH FOR IT YOU LOVELY, CARING PEOPLE (Caroline Flack would say hi if she could) Fortunately, City's owners are obviously strong enough and powerful enough to no succumb to the same fate as that poor woman did after your vile bullying. Anyway, you have a great day and I hope your families are well and secure in the fact that you are a huge contributer to lies, bullying, racism, unprofessionalism and slander. They must be very proud

 

[Marvin]

Not my understanding mate.
Under FFP owners cannot channel investment into a club by giving someone else money to sponsor us.

That report that PB found claimed that the Etihad Airlines sponsorship would be underwritten by the UAE state, or UAE Executive council. I forget the exact wording.

I don't think it particularly matters to UEFA how that money is routed from the UAE state to MCFC providing that it is ultimately sourced from the UAE and not Sheikh Mansour.

 

[domalino]

The Independent are calling for the CAS appeal to be made public:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...oth-organisations/ar-BB106V7X?ocid=spartandhp

I know it's Tony Evans but a lot of what he says in there is true. It will never happen (and shoudln't) though because a lot of things which would be exposed are confidential for a reason.

 

[warpig]

Block him and Conn. Don’t read the Guardian.

I think we should have some ‘Don’t buy The Guardian’ stickers made up. Similar to what the dippers have with The Sun.

 

[asahartford1]

The only time I have felt like this was after the relegation when we failed to beat Liverpool on the last day of the season. I have felt down all weekend, my passion for football dimmed. When I hear Carragher or Jordan talking shite my feelings have turned to anger. I can see a situation where a fan takes it on themselves to do something regrettable. It would be a big mistake.
We as a fan base need to channel the anger into support for the team, use the energy this has created within the ground.
Bring the noise tomorrow.

 

[KS55]

What a fucking job the journos have getting paid thousands to sit and read Bluemoon all day.

@Ric, can I have £2 per hour reading fee, please?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yes, it's the "Forum Rules" link at the top of the page:
https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/help/rules/

What a curious place for it to be located.

 

[Len Rum]

That report that PB found claimed that the Etihad Airlines sponsorship would be underwritten by the UAE state, or UAE Executive council. I forget the exact wording.
I don't think it particularly matters to UEFA how that money is routed from the UAE state to MCFC providing that it is ultimately sourced from the UAE and not Sheikh Mansour.

Can't agree with you Marv.
IMO if it comes from ADUG it comes from ADUG.
But what do I know.
I'm not an expensive lawyer.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Surely it is the editor who has the final say on what ever the jurno's decide to print. The first point would be to complain to the editor in this case it would be the sports editor. There is also the ultimate choice of refusing to by the paper. Just say for one week every City fan would refuse to by for an e.g. The Daily Mirror how many papers would be returned back to the paper printing site . This would be in the hundred's of thousands, if not the millions. This would cost that paper a hell of a lot of lost revenue. The board would be doing an investigation as to why so many have been returned and if they did find out that journo could end up loosing his job.

 

[KS55]

City already made a compromise that was agreed years ago as closure and UEFA came back for more.
The is issue not about the future of UEFA and FFP.

I agree. Going directly at ffp is not the way forward, but telling them we will desist from that in return for fairer treatment may pay dividends.