UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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KS55 said:
Ah, good old zeugma, not as exciting as epanalepsis. You may not find that in the dictionary as it is a transliteration of a greek figure of speech similar to paraprosdokian.
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Lovely stuff! I’d throw hypallage in the hope that City can bring down the corrupt citadel of UEFA.
 
The Athletic pushing the narrative - Liverpool Good, City Bad https://theathletic.co.uk/1608719/2...-sqQAjlB_8APF3bcnzNFKuMQLz0g08ifRccU9ocdY3S4g
City win the league 4 times in 8 years and we're anti-competitive, it's bad for the league, bad for the premier league product. Now with City potentially banned from Chumps league for 2 years - Liverpool building a dynasty, Liverpool could win the league for the next few years, Liverpool buying Sancho. I'm sick of the pass Liverpool get - even with hacking. I really hope our owners have their marker when they're done with UEFA. If not, does any one know any good hackers? ;-)
 
journolud said:
So are we happy that our 200 page document was submitted within the agreed time scale or is this unknown? If I’ve understood correctly if we tried to submit it after the submission date they would be within their rights not to consider it. The club wouldn’t have made a schoolboy error by getting it in late, would they?
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Yes they submitted what they wanted in time.
 
domalino said:
I really hate to end up defending Miguel fuckjng Delaney of all people but that list does show one thing very clearly, which is that PSGs Neymar purchase massively inflated the transfer market.

Neymar and Mbappe speak for themselves, Coutinho and Dembele were Barcelona panic spending and Griezmann was a continuation of that. Joao Felix was Atleti spending that money and the reason an 18 year old with 1 good year went for 120m was because people wanted the next Mbappe.

Van Dijk and Alisson both went for their world record fees because Barcelona paid so much for Coutinho and Maguire cost 80m because of VVD resetting the value of centre backs.


So I think he is absolutely right to say PSGs 2018 inflated the transfer market considerably.

Now the thing you've taken offence to is that he said City could compete.....but that's not really wrong. City haven't chosen to compete but we could have. A lot of the transfers involving other clubs (liverpool, atletico) are really them spending PSGs initial 400m they dumped into the market.

We have it from decent sources that City would have spent the money on Mbappe and we tried to get Messi in 2017 which would have been a world record fee.

City haven't competed with the top 10 transfer fees, but that's different to jot being able to. We are able to and it's only a matter of time before we make a top 3 or top 5 transfer IMO.
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I think your analysis of one big transfer fuelling others is true. I really don’t see anything wrong with what PSG did. Other teams Madrid, Barca, United etc have all at times made huge purchases and tried to monopolise all the top talent. PSGs owner was happy to put up the money, the selling clubs received top dollar and I’m not sure anyone would have batted an eye lid if Real or Barca had signed Mbappe for that fee.
 
Might sound a tad malicious, but the person I really want to see get his come-uppance in all of this is that utter twunt David Gill ! City have been routinely labelled as cheats this last week, but what do you call the actions of a man who systematically sets out to change the laws of football governance specifically to suit his own team ?? How is that not cheating ?? I would love it if someone found some film of him in compromising positions with a Shetland Pony............... He deserves every shame that comes his way.
 
BlueBas said:
The Athletic pushing the narrative - Liverpool Good, City Bad https://theathletic.co.uk/1608719/2...-sqQAjlB_8APF3bcnzNFKuMQLz0g08ifRccU9ocdY3S4g
City win the league 4 times in 8 years and we're anti-competitive, it's bad for the league, bad for the premier league product. Now with City potentially banned from Chumps league for 2 years - Liverpool building a dynasty, Liverpool could win the league for the next few years, Liverpool buying Sancho. I'm sick of the pass Liverpool get - even with hacking. I really hope our owners have their marker when they're done with UEFA. If not, does any one know any good hackers? ;-)
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Their headline is wrong since Liverpool didn't comply with ffp.
 
BlueBas said:
The Athletic pushing the narrative - Liverpool Good, City Bad https://theathletic.co.uk/1608719/2...-sqQAjlB_8APF3bcnzNFKuMQLz0g08ifRccU9ocdY3S4g
City win the league 4 times in 8 years and we're anti-competitive, it's bad for the league, bad for the premier league product. Now with City potentially banned from Chumps league for 2 years - Liverpool building a dynasty, Liverpool could win the league for the next few years, Liverpool buying Sancho. I'm sick of the pass Liverpool get - even with hacking. I really hope our owners have their marker when they're done with UEFA. If not, does any one know any good hackers? ;-)
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Just the one.
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My daughter loves him :)
 
domalino said:
If City had unrestricted spending and Mansour had the mood (maybe after being cleared of wrongdoing and dismantling FFP) then our rivals would be fucked. Unless they got bought out themselves, theres no way they could compete if the owners wanted to make it that way. Wolves might be our closest competitor.

Football probably does need some sort of financial control if you want a relatively even playing field and for the finances to spin out of control. I actually dont think many people would disagree with that if they detached it from the fact that FFP wasnt about that, it was about specifically hampering us.

The problem with people like Delaney is that he will die on a hill defending FFP, a form of financial control rotten from its inception and never aimed at ensuring the things he says he wants.

If someone sensible actually came up with a financial system where no one was allowed to out spend the rest 5 to 1 evety year but also new owners could raise their clubs to the top table, I think most of us would be ok with it.
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Real Fair Play would be clubs had to operate under a Salary Cap and Transfer Fee Cap. Obviously not everyone could spend the full cap and some clubs would be restricted and would find other ways to top-up salaries (bonuses/player sponsors) so there’d always be unbalance but that’s a fairer way than the version of FFP we’ve been lumped with.

Then it’s be down to how well your club is run and how good your scouting system is.
 
Nibler13 said:
Also, while true PSG inflated the market w/ Neymar and Mbappe...at least Neymar was considered a top 5 player worldwide at thh time, and Mbappe was as close as it came to a sure thing to enter that level of player. So high prices were paid, but for incredible talent. Couldnt you argue Barca spending what they did on Coutinho and Dembele did more damage then PSG paying for Neymar, as nobody would have considered either player even close to Neymar/Mbappe level of talent? (I could be looking back incorrectly, it is possible Dembele was that highly thought of, but def not Coutinho).
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The question on Coutinho has to be - did the media talk him up and up and inflate his value independently- or was it an orchestrated campaign by LFC - which the British media went along with. If LFC did orchestrate a campaign is that legal?
 
nmc said:
The question on Coutinho has to be - did the media talk him up and up and inflate his value independently- or was it an orchestrated campaign by LFC - which the British media went along with. If LFC did orchestrate a campaign is that legal?
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The same media are talking about Pogbad as a £150M player, anyone would think they have a vested interest in talking up the values of rag and dipper players
 
domalino said:
I really hate to end up defending Miguel fuckjng Delaney of all people but that list does show one thing very clearly, which is that PSGs Neymar purchase massively inflated the transfer market.

Neymar and Mbappe speak for themselves, Coutinho and Dembele were Barcelona panic spending and Griezmann was a continuation of that. Joao Felix was Atleti spending that money and the reason an 18 year old with 1 good year went for 120m was because people wanted the next Mbappe.

Van Dijk and Alisson both went for their world record fees because Barcelona paid so much for Coutinho and Maguire cost 80m because of VVD resetting the value of centre backs.


So I think he is absolutely right to say PSGs 2018 inflated the transfer market considerably.

Now the thing you've taken offence to is that he said City could compete.....but that's not really wrong. City haven't chosen to compete but we could have. A lot of the transfers involving other clubs (liverpool, atletico) are really them spending PSGs initial 400m they dumped into the market.

We have it from decent sources that City would have spent the money on Mbappe and we tried to get Messi in 2017 which would have been a world record fee.

City haven't competed with the top 10 transfer fees, but that's different to jot being able to. We are able to and it's only a matter of time before we make a top 3 or top 5 transfer IMO.
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Its a huge transfer, as was Mbappe but had RM signed them both for even more money no one would have batted an eyelid nor would anyone have said they where guilty of inflating the transfer market.

Only a few select clubs have a track record of continually breaking world transfer fee records!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Real Fair Play would be clubs had to operate under a Salary Cap and Transfer Fee Cap. Obviously not everyone could spend the full cap and some clubs would be restricted and would find other ways to top-up salaries (bonuses/player sponsors) so there’d always be unbalance but that’s a fairer way than the version of FFP we’ve been lumped with.

Then it’s be down to how well your club is run and how good your scouting system is.
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Real fair play would equalise the bigger clubs because of their resources, it would drive down transfer fees and wages and it would effectively kill the PL brand and the UEFA cartel. If clubs had a target that they could spend and that target was the same for every team then the sponsors would be pumping money into clubs that the clubs couldn't spend.

Invariably the money sponsors would pump in would get smaller because the teams could only spend XYZ and wouldn't need it to run a club, The only way that this model is sustainable is to have the gloves off and allow clubs to spend what they want as long as it isn't driven by debt (Cough Glazers) either way football is about just the money now and as fans we have very little choice than accept this.

*I am not a financial accountant or anyway involved in how you run a business in fact you wouldn't trust me to pay your gas bill if you gave me the money I am that forgetful/inept (Insert the appropriate term)
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think this is fair. Financial controls of some sort are a good thing; FFP as is is twisted, which you and Nicholas van Whatsisface seem to agree on.

And I agree, I think City would have bought a 100M player without thinking too hard. It may have come down to PSG, City and similar coming to an agreement of who they would chase or avoid, but I don't think money would have stopped anything.
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We'd have spent 100M on Kaka if he didnt bottle it.
 
blueinsa said:
Its a huge transfer, as was Mbappe but had RM signed them both for even more money no one would have batted an eyelid nor would anyone have said they where guilty of inflating the transfer market.

Only a few select clubs have a track record of continually breaking world transfer fee records!
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They are allowed to, you know. Royalty, unlike us.
 
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