UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
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Maybe Uefa are not as incompetent as it seems. Maybe they are fed up with dancing to the G14's tune, and are quite happy to take a wafer thin charge to CAS. Knowing City will be out for revenge against Gill etc. for reputational damages, they could spill the beans on who is the real driving force behind it and sit back and watch the fireworks. City could ruin a few individuals, watering down their influence on Uefa. Win win all round. Or have I been watching too much Miss Marple?
 
Bluechipblue said:
Maybe Uefa are not as incompetent as it seems. Maybe they are fed up with dancing to the G14's tune, and are quite happy to take a wafer thin charge to CAS. Knowing City will be out for revenge against Gill etc. for reputational damages, they could spill the beans on who is the real driving force behind it and sit back and watch the fireworks. City could ruin a few individuals, watering down their influence on Uefa. Win win all round. Or have I been watching too much Miss Marple?
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I like it Sir. I'd definitely watch that movie.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I don't see how Der Spiegel would have done that given the huge criminal investigation into Rui Pinto. The actual emails themselves will be evidence in the criminal prosecution. We don't even know for sure that Der Spiegel have got anything more than a tiny selection of the 70 million documents hacked by Pinto. In fact Spiegel may only have copies of emails themselves and what they published is an edited version of events.
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...aks-is-exposing-corruption-in-european-soccer

According to the above Der Spiegel got an initial 2 hard drives (800 GB of data) and 'in the following three years, Pinto supplied Der Spiegel with four terabytes of confidential information, more than eighty-eight million documents.'

When the police raided his place they took away 14 hard drives (29 TB of data). He had access to much more than 70 million documents and that's just what they (or we anyway) know about.
 
IF City are banned for 1 or even 2 seasons, if CAS appeal fails, I'd love for HH SM to work with FIFA to put together a club competition on free to air channels across the world on CL nights! Be interesting to see how that would affect TV money for the CL going forward!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm told there were 5 charges laid against us. I'm not our legal representative but everything suggests 3 or 4 of those will fall quite easily. We've still got the charge of failure to co-operate but we felt that with UEFA acting on the thinnest of evidence, we had no need to. Why should we willingly co-operate in something designed to hurt us? I'm sure we had good legal grounds not to.
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I think we were within our rights to not co-operate fully. As Ferran alluded to, UEFA were leaking like a sieve. And as CAS has already commented on the "worrisome leaks", we should have a very solid case.
 
Centurions said:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...aks-is-exposing-corruption-in-european-soccer

According to the above Der Spiegel got an initial 2 hard drives (800 GB of data) and 'in the following three years, Pinto supplied Der Spiegel with four terabytes of confidential information, more than eighty-eight million documents.'

When the police raided his place they took away 14 hard drives (29 TB of data). He had access to much more than 70 million documents and that's just what they (or we anyway) know about.
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I wonder if Der Spiegel will ever release the contents of the other 87,999,996 e-mails
 
Coatigan said:
I'm not sure UEFA's inability to prove we did nothing wrong is the end game. That jyst says, we did wrong, they tried their best, had reasonable snippets of evidence, but ultimately it wasnt enough. I would think tge end game would be to actually prove we did nothing wrong.
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That's always been my reading of this. It's on a number of levels and the lowest level is to get the case thrown out at CAS. Then there's the battle to prove we didn't cheat, which is important to the club. Then we have to take on the G-14 or at least neutralise them.
 
I think they know what they are doing, it’s such a bad look for City, everyone assumes we are guilty, cheating as the corrupt bias media report it. Even if we prove our case that’s because we paid for the best lawyers to get out of it.
We have been stitched up and it’s a no win situation.
 
OB1 said:
The whole thing about context is really important.

The email in question may merely have been referring to where the funds would be paid to City from; it does not necessarily indicate who the ultimate source of the funds was.

ADUG could have received money to pass on to City from ADEC, Mansour or (less likely, I know) Etihad. There's plenty of reasons why a parent company might want to hold onto cash and only let a subsidiary have it when they actually need it.

Nothing in that email proves that the cash paid on behalf of Etihad to City was not ultimately provided by a source related to Etihad but not related to City.
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The very next email could have been 'Apologies, I meant to type ADEC, not ADUG'
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Of course it will. Ww can deal with UEFA but we have to take the fight to the real enemy and I imagine that will be fought out in the public gaze. Their first league title in 30 years and they'll be choking on it.
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There would be poetic justice in a huge story about them hitting the headlines the day after they win the match that confirms them league winners this season.
 
BringBackSwales said:
To be fair though PB you were extremely confident last time, when we still ended up with a huge fine and squad limitations - what makes you confident this time will be different? And btw I am not having a pop, your knowledge on these matters is top notch. You can tell I am not having a pop, I haven’t used rude words
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PB explained that while we didn't admit guilt in 2014, it was more prudent and less time consuming to accept a.minimal chastisement and move on. That's why the chairman referred to it as a "pinch".
The fact that these charges are being brought up again indicates that they're trying to use us as a piggy bank who'll be compliant or risk the wrath of the public. People have made their minds up about us already and no amount of exoneration in any court,(kangaroo or otherwise) will alter the narrative.
I suspect the message from City now is, " throw as much shit as you want at us but we're not paying you for the privilege".
 
Is there any chance we can sue uefa and also certain publications in particular der spiegel for many millions in regards to damage to the club and if so what kind of figures are we looking at? Would be delicious to see £50m added to our coffers in terms of beating ffp!
 
Centurions said:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...aks-is-exposing-corruption-in-european-soccer

According to the above Der Spiegel got an initial 2 hard drives (800 GB of data) and 'in the following three years, Pinto supplied Der Spiegel with four terabytes of confidential information, more than eighty-eight million documents.'

When the police raided his place they took away 14 hard drives (29 TB of data). He had access to much more than 70 million documents and that's just what they (or we anyway) know about.
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Looks like there is still a mountain of "info" still to come....

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-passwords-in-his-head?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 
Centurions said:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...aks-is-exposing-corruption-in-european-soccer

According to the above Der Spiegel got an initial 2 hard drives (800 GB of data) and 'in the following three years, Pinto supplied Der Spiegel with four terabytes of confidential information, more than eighty-eight million documents.'

When the police raided his place they took away 14 hard drives (29 TB of data). He had access to much more than 70 million documents and that's just what they (or we anyway) know about.
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Wow. The New Yorker Magazine has been well ahead of the game on this story. That begs the obvious question of: Why haven't Der Spiegel published more stories? I know there has been a lot of stuff in Portugal and I can recall the Ronaldo rape allegations, Mourhino's tax evasion, and Pogba's dodgy transfer payments from United, but not much else. Presumably the police have got all this evidence now. That must be why they keep adding charges onto Pinto. It is suspicious that City are apparently the only story in town.
 
Chipmeister said:
I think they know what they are doing, it’s such a bad look for City, everyone assumes we are guilty, cheating as the corrupt bias media report it. Even if we prove our case that’s because we paid for the best lawyers to get out of it.
We have been stitched up and it’s a no win situation.
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Yeah i think damaging our reputation is a big motive here,trying to stop the best players coming here and sponsers looking somewhere else,we could spend the next 10yrs trying to clear our name but the damage is done
 
give it to gordon said:
it does sound hard to believe that an organisation like UEFA would do this with such a piss evidence or lack of evidence...than again perhaps not !
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I'm not even convinced that Der Spiegel physicallty had those emails, which is why I'm pretty convinced this is the case. I think they had access to a server that had a load of data on but I'm not sure it was their server or under their control. Therefore it's all third or fourth hand.
 
Centurions said:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...aks-is-exposing-corruption-in-european-soccer

According to the above Der Spiegel got an initial 2 hard drives (800 GB of data) and 'in the following three years, Pinto supplied Der Spiegel with four terabytes of confidential information, more than eighty-eight million documents.'

When the police raided his place they took away 14 hard drives (29 TB of data). He had access to much more than 70 million documents and that's just what they (or we anyway) know about.
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Eighty-Eight million documents? And they managed to find just on City?

My take is that if there was anything else, Der Spiegel would have willingly published it. They shot their load after the first couple of days. Everything after that, was just a hatchet job about City's supposed lack of status and history.
 
Bluechipblue said:
Maybe Uefa are not as incompetent as it seems. Maybe they are fed up with dancing to the G14's tune, and are quite happy to take a wafer thin charge to CAS. Knowing City will be out for revenge against Gill etc. for reputational damages, they could spill the beans on who is the real driving force behind it and sit back and watch the fireworks. City could ruin a few individuals, watering down their influence on Uefa. Win win all round. Or have I been watching too much Miss Marple?
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I've just had a thought. Maybe this is a set-up by City, UEFA, and Der Spiegel to trap some of the other cartel clubs. City provide DS with some doctored e-mails, they publish them along with a shit back story, and the cartel just can’t help themselves so they (and that racist prick Tebas) pressurise UEFA into doing something, and UEFA provide City with all the evidence they need of this orchestrated campaign which in turn we eventually throw back in the faces of those responsible....

Right, I'm off for a lie down
 
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