UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Newman Noggs]

If we (or anyone else, for that matter) are forced to play any games without the benefit of a home crowd, it should be evened up next season by playing the corresponding away fixture behind closed doors.

Fucking nonsense, of course, and unworkable if one of the teams gets relegated but no more preposterous than playing the remaining games without crowds.

 

[Parisian]

Yes, it would be very interesting if UEFA actually explained how far FFP has been relaxed. Or maybe it will find a way of only allowing certain clubs to benefit. How will it possibly deal with the fall out if a large number of clubs go bust largely because of FFP? After all these regulations have succeeded in ensuring the financial stability of the European game and its clubs and are essential to its future prosperity.

I had read that they were supposed to relax FFP only for that one season impacted by the coronavirus crisis (maybe more seasons if they are also impacted). Thus, PSG or City couldn't just drop 3 billions in the market because they would still be under the scrutinity of FFP for the remaining years of those contracts (usually players sign 5 years contracts).

The clubs likely to benefit from this measure are the clubs more dependant on their TV and sponsors income than PSG and City in a FFP-free world. They will be allowed to comply with FFP with less severity and much more time than usual. A club like Milan AC who was having it hard to comply could benefit from it. Same with Olympique de Marseille. And obviously, your Real, Barça, Liverpool, Tottenham and co. who can usually pass the FFP test but have trouble in this crisis.

In the case of PSG, we could imagine Accor Hotels, a group hugely impacted by the crisis due to the nautre of their activity, not paying their full share if football doesn't come back on our screens. PSG could then tank it through owners fund and FFP would allow it for this particular reason. This is hypothetical as Bazin the CEO of Accor announced they have already paid their full sponsorship for the 2019/2020 year. You can apply the same for City.

More so than the sponsors, the broadcasters are the one not paying the league and subsequently the clubs right now.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

@Prestwich_Blue i know ffp has been relaxed to help clubs at the moment,does that mean owners are allowed to put money in? I keep seeing us with our owners weath means we will be ok,i am a bit confused,ta

I'm not quite clear Kaz. They appear to have relaxed the rule on 'overdue payables' and have apparently said they would take 'force majeure' into account when looking at a club's finances. But I've not specifically seen anything to suggest that they've abandoned FFP altogether for next year.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Eloquently put.

great post. But he should work on his enter button, it looks broken.

 

[lasereyes]

What will Cerefin and his cronies do if the British Government comes out and says that there will be no flights in and out of the UK except for those flights that repatriate citizens to their home country. This lockdown needs to stay in place for at least until the end of May at least. I know that for a lot of people it will be hard. It is hard enough for me. I am self isolating because I have heart problems. Therefore I need this coronavirus eradicating completely. There will be plenty of supporters of other clubs in the same boat as me.

We need 2/3 days where there is no reported deaths or cases of Coronavirus. before the lockdown is removed. Then and only then can we think about restarting this football season. To do so would be disrespectful to the families off all those who lost their lives to this coronavirus.

Stay safe and save not only your own life but the lives off your family and friends, by staying in as much as you can.

Not even. Once the lockdown is over, the return to normality will be slow and measured starting with essential businesses (which I suspect doesnt include anything scouser-related). Any sign of material re-infection rates, and the shutters will come back down.

 

[kaz7]

I'm not quite clear Kaz. They appear to have relaxed the rule on 'overdue payables' and have apparently said they would take 'force majeure' into account when looking at a club's finances. But I've not specifically seen anything to suggest that they've abandoned FFP altogether for next year.

Thanks lovely,just media getting digs in then

 

[cleavers]

Because they don’t make any money from us winning simple as

That's rubbish really, the way we won it in 2012 made money round the world from new TV deals, a title rivalry within a City, going to the 94th minute in the last game of the season, with a reverse the likes nobody will ever see again.

They want that every year, but its not hard to "create", the only better outcome that day, would have been united robbing us of the title in the 94th minute, though it was only the "creativity" that got it that far.

 

[blueju]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/45111142

It would be expected that someone in the press would have picked him up on that this season as Liverpool amassed their lead in an interview and actually had the balls to push him for his ideas on why the dippers situation differs from our title winning season in relation to how it affects the Premier League stature, you know an interviewer with some actual cajones rather than some line toeing lickspittle

 

[Bald fraud]

That's rubbish really, the way we won it in 2012 made money round the world from new TV deals, a title rivalry within a City, going to the 94th minute in the last game of the season, with a reverse the likes nobody will ever see again.

They want that every year, but its not hard to "create", the only better outcome that day, would have been united robbing us of the title in the 94th minute, though it was only the "creativity" that got it that far.

They make more money if the scousers or united win it they’ve never wanted us to win it

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore hopes defending champions Manchester City face a stiffer challenge in the coming season.

City sealed the title with five games to spare last term and finished 19 points ahead of second place.

"It doesn't take away from City's excellence, but we want the season to go to the last," said Scudamore.

"I'd like multiple trophies needed in various locations on the last day because we don't know how it will end."

Scudamore, who will end a 19-year tenure in December,added: "I'd like someone to get a little bit closer to Manchester City.

"Clearly, given the way they played last season, they look like the team to beat

He wouldnt have said that if the dippers had won with their big margin


Last season he said this

'It's an incredible situation and Liverpool will probably not win the league and that's very sad in some ways

Before that the brands need a succesful rags team

Never has he said us winning the title is a good thing

It's bad for business......

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

He's made reference to this on a couple of occasions.

The last time he mentioned something about how the premier league are working towards putting in measures that enable "different" clubs to win the league.

They never seemed to worry too much when the rags were winning it every year. I've been saying it for years now. The premier league has a single unified mantra "Anyone but Manchester City".

Because that was good for business.........

 

[asahartford1]

I'm not quite clear Kaz. They appear to have relaxed the rule on 'overdue payables' and have apparently said they would take 'force majeure' into account when looking at a club's finances. But I've not specifically seen anything to suggest that they've abandoned FFP altogether for next year.

I think it will be more a case of seeing how clubs react to the situation before they officially change rules. If some clubs spend and this is added to the losses, the treasurer of eufa (whoever it is) will recommend rule changes. I don't think the rule changes will come first.

 

[bluemanchester]

I think it will be more a case of seeing how clubs react to the situation before they officially change rules. If some clubs spend and this is added to the losses, the treasurer of eufa (whoever it is) will recommend rule changes. I don't think the rule changes will come first.

I think it all depends which clubs ask.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Because they don’t make any money from us winning simple as

The first time City won the PL, he was quoted as saying City and that Agueroooooo moment did more to boost sales for tv rights than anything else had for a number of years. Obviously his only target was increased profits year on year and success for the rags and dippers was the way his greedy organisation saw the next big payday.

 

[Kenward Garg]

great post. But he should work on his enter button, it looks broken.

Paragraphs and the use of them seems to be a dying art.

 

[Kenward Garg]

It would be expected that someone in the press would have picked him up on that this season as Liverpool amassed their lead in an interview and actually had the balls to push him for his ideas on why the dippers situation differs from our title winning season in relation to how it affects the Premier League stature, you know an interviewer with some actual cajones rather than some line toeing lickspittle

If only, dude.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

"Relaxing the rules" is another in a long list of half baked soundbites from an organisation without a clue when it comes to anything other than lining their own pockets. Why would you relax rules which have been such unmitigated benefit to football as Woody Woodpecker claims? No doubt they'll relax them on a case by case basis to make sure only the very worthy benefit.

I only hope that it's the threat of continuous and sustained legal action from City that has thrown UEFA into complete panic.

 

[asahartford1]

I think it all depends which clubs ask.

Exactly, what barca, bayern, rags, madrid, united want they will get. The changes will be designed around their needs.

 

[nmc]

There’s a few people on here with more knowledge than me but I think - it’s reasonable to predict that there will be no live football before September. I think the behind closed doors scenario is a figment of the footballing authorities imagination. A behind closed door event is still going to involve probably two hundred people in the ground and it’ll be impossible to stop people assembling outside. By July the emergency and essential services will be on their knees - I don’t think supporting even behind closed door games is something that’ll be contemplated.

There are probably a few different financial models in play across the PL just now but The Rags and Spurs probably have the most to worry about. Both have huge debts that they will need to keep repaying regardless of their income loss - their lenders will be very twitchy just now. Some of their debts may be secured against future income like season ticket sales - I wonder how the banks are going to react to this? Securing more borrowing- which has been United's modus operandi under the Glazier’s is probably not an option. More worrying for United is that the crumbling Glazier Shopping Mall business probably has debts secured against United. United and Spurs both think they are safe because they have scale but whether you owe $1,000 or $1,000,000,0000,00000 if you can’t pay you can’t pay and the whole lot comes tumbling down. PL clubs will almost certainly have minimal income until September, even United merchandising empire will collapse, the network of sponsors will fall away as companies cost cut, Sky and BT will probably use this pandemic to their advantage to lengthen their contract and renegotiate their payments down. It all points to a significant reduction in revenue for all clubs but some clubs that are heavily leveraged won’t be able to cope with the loss in income. United’s monthly outgoings on transfer fees (players signed in the last 3 or 4 years with payments spread), their huge wage bill (the highest in PL history), interest payments, staff costs (United have more non playing staff than anyone else) and of course all other events like concerts cancelled... will need to be added to the headache of few people renewing season tickets until they know what’s going on. I honestly think a few of our rivals might financially unravel in the coming months. Buckle up blues - it could be fun.

 

[manclad]

Paragraphs and the use of them seems to be a dying art.

I completely agree with you here Kenward.I would have also made the same comment as yourself but I didn't want all the sarky Grammar Police comments.
Some posts are like a huge non stop block of letters. Very difficult to read and very difficult on the eye.
I am sure that I have missed some interesting and factual stories and comments,but it is far too difficult to pick out the sensible stuff amongst an ocean of words.