UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Newman Noggs]

He answered it.

Not sure why you're butting in but I asked him another question.

 

[Norbert D]

UEFA are banging City for the period 2012-2016, the original reporting period was 2011-2014.

Even though the dippers have as per usual got away with it, their accounts for the 2012-2016 period were helpfully published in the Liverpool Echo two years ago.

the link is below and it’s eye watering and infuriating what they’ve got away with compared to us especially when we had already reluctantly took a sanction.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...verpools-finances-fsg-years-assessed-14353937

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Absolutely and unequivocally?

Yep. I even checked with a couple of the others just in case I had misheard and they backed this up. Ceferin apparently said that if we would accept we were guilty of what was described as a "technical accountng breach" we would only suffer a fine.

That does bring into question just how "independent" the Adjudicatory Chamber actually is, if the President can tout deals like that. I also heard from another source however that the G-14 clubs insisted that we get the full 2-season ban. Which just adds to the question about the independence of the CFCB, and even begs the question of whether Ceferin could have ever delivered that deal.

 

[LucahArchie10]

UEFA are banging City for the period 2012-2016, the original reporting period was 2011-2014.

Even though the dippers have as per usual got away with it, their accounts for the 2012-2016 period were helpfully published in the Liverpool Echo two years ago.

the link is below and it’s eye watering and infuriating what they’ve got away with compared to us especially when we had already reluctantly took a sanction.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...verpools-finances-fsg-years-assessed-14353937

Think they got away with it as not being in the Champions League + they sold them the new stand bullshit as well?

 

[Newman Noggs]

Yep. I even checked with a couple of the others just in case I had misheard and they backed this up. Ceferin apparently said that if we would accept we were guilty of what was described as a "technical accountng breach" we would only suffer a fine.

That does bring into question just how "independent" the Adjudicatory Chamber actually is, if the President can tout deals like that. I also heard from another source however that the G-14 clubs insisted that we get the full 2-season ban. Which just adds to the question about the independence of the CFCB, and even begs the question of whether Ceferin could have ever delivered that deal.

Thank you Colin.

 

[SilverFox2]

Yep. I even checked with a couple of the others just in case I had misheard and they backed this up. Ceferin apparently said that if we would accept we were guilty of what was described as a "technical accountng breach" we would only suffer a fine.

That does bring into question just how "independent" the Adjudicatory Chamber actually is, if the President can tout deals like that. I also heard from another source however that the G-14 clubs insisted that we get the full 2-season ban. Which just adds to the question about the independence of the CFCB, and even begs the question of whether Ceferin could have ever delivered that deal.

Ah PB thanks for that post because I have often wondered how C. could speak for a G14 group that simply decided issues.
Possibly he masquerading as their representative but was trying to initiate his own version of mediation that he would then try to sell to a group hell bent on destroying City.
Unsurprisingly City could not trust this upside down UEFA proposal. having lost confidence.in the whole structure and stability of a high jacked UEFA.

 

[Northblue]

And more and more so with every passing day. PB's latest post only strengthens my thoughts on it, of course if it turns out that CAS agree on the ban then I'm blaming it on PB ;)

Is that the one about the announcement of an announcement announcing the date of the announcement of the verdict?

 

[Robbo]

Yep. I even checked with a couple of the others just in case I had misheard and they backed this up. Ceferin apparently said that if we would accept we were guilty of what was described as a "technical accountng breach" we would only suffer a fine.

That does bring into question just how "independent" the Adjudicatory Chamber actually is, if the President can tout deals like that. I also heard from another source however that the G-14 clubs insisted that we get the full 2-season ban. Which just adds to the question about the independence of the CFCB, and even begs the question of whether Ceferin could have ever delivered that deal.

Can I just ask what might be a dumb question, if we do lose the appeal what happens to the irrefutable evidence?
If City get their PR dept into gear are they able to release this, or parts of it, (subject to confidential aspects of course) to demonstrate/justify their position?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Can I just ask what might be a dumb question, if we do lose the appeal what happens to the irrefutable evidence?
If City get their PR dept into gear are they able to release this, or parts of it, (subject to confidential aspects of course) to demonstrate/justify their position?

It's actually a very good question. If we lose then I'd say it wasn't really irrefutable. But I think the CAS document that gives the reasoning behind their decision may well give us some clues as to what it was.

 

[Robbo]

It's actually a very good question. If we lose then I'd say it wasn't really irrefutable. But I think the CAS document that gives the reasoning behind their decision may well give us some clues as to what it was.

Thanks. Fingers crossed and let’s see then

 

[petrusha]

UEFA are banging City for the period 2012-2016, the original reporting period was 2011-2014.

City signed a settlement agreement which dealt with matters up to 2014, but additionally imposed a special UEFA reporting regime with specified targets for the 2014/5 and 2015/6. UEFA then signed us off as having complied with the reporting regime up to the end of 2015/6. Thus, whatever breaches we're accused of, if they come at any point between 2012 and 2016, they involve UEFA reopening reporting periods already expressly closed off.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yep. I even checked with a couple of the others just in case I had misheard and they backed this up. Ceferin apparently said that if we would accept we were guilty of what was described as a "technical accountng breach" we would only suffer a fine.

That does bring into question just how "independent" the Adjudicatory Chamber actually is, if the President can tout deals like that. I also heard from another source however that the G-14 clubs insisted that we get the full 2-season ban. Which just adds to the question about the independence of the CFCB, and even begs the question of whether Ceferin could have ever delivered that deal.

Which is why I've been of the opinion that Ceferin was merely sent to try and coax an admission of guilt so they could give us the 2 year ban with us having nowhere to turn because we'd accepted guilt.

 

[Pepsi guardiola]

It's actually a very good question. If we lose then I'd say it wasn't really irrefutable. But I think the CAS document that gives the reasoning behind their decision may well give us some clues as to what it was.

Is there not an appeal option if we’re found to have breached or is that the highest it can go for ruling??

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Is there not an appeal option if we’re found to have breached or is that the highest it can go for ruling??

Only on a point of law, not on process.

 

[KS55]

Which is why I've been of the opinion that Ceferin was merely sent to try and coax an admission of guilt so they could give us the 2 year ban with us having nowhere to turn because we'd accepted guilt.

No. If we had accepted we would have expressly denied that we had breached. Discussions would be 'without prejudice' and any agreement would be in writing and watertight.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

So hows it looking then are we confident or has nobody got a clue?

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

is there a date on this??

it s taking the piss if it s when we call you back like.......

 

[levets]

If CAS reject our appeal I can see problems when the mini Chumps League tournament begins in Lisbon.

UEFA will do everything possible to prevent us from winning it.

I’m concerned that there will be a huge groundswell of opinion to expel us immediately and forfeit the tie, in the event of CAS upholding UEFA’svverdict.

 

[norman]

So it is confirmed, albeit on hearsay evidence only, that a deal was offered. If the offer was another fine then City must be certain, hopefully after considered legal advice, that their evidence is irrefutable otherwise our lawyers would have urged acceptance so I feel a bit more confident (for now anyway) but I still wonder on what basis and or legal advice advice, UEFA felt entitled to impose such a harsh penalty. Whether they admit it or not, they must have had a good idea then of what City’s evidence was, but nevertheless still found City in breach and imposed a 2 year ban. There may or may not have been pressure from G14 or whatever it is, but no amount of political pressure should influence a legal advisor although having said that, who knows when there are millions at stake, or maybe UEFA ignored legal advice.
It does make you think there are layers to this that go beyond what is in the public domain.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

I’m concerned that there will be a huge groundswell of opinion to expel us immediately and forfeit the tie, in the event of CAS upholding UEFA’svverdict.

That will be the first thing out of that twat Tebas's mouth if it did go against us.