UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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not so ? the governing body of european football (uefa) don't and will keep it in house and set the rules to the boards mandate unless it crosses over into a police matter. just like Fifa and the crimes that some members did filter money into other accounts out side of the one's they was working for

the FBI should have locked up michel platini and many more ? but only a slap on the back of the hand and free to live as normal and because of Fifa took away their jobs it was done and forgotten about

yes it is true if UEFA and competitions fall foul of EU law then they're in trouble. The problem is it needs someone to take it to court something we will be doing if we lose the appeal
 
Controversial take...

Some of our fans will be secretly annoyed if we don’t get banned. You know the types. Those always desperate to be contrarian and appear unbiased. It’ll ruin some of their potential ‘I told you so’ blog entries that’s for sure.

This is just a nothing post. People have to be aware of the ramifications of what happens next if we are banned. Nobody wants it. But its also worth pointing out, if the ban stands then City have fucked up. There won't be any defending it.
 
I would like the Mansour to flex his financial muscles and create his own competition. Let the G14 slope off and play each other time and time again like the SPFL. (What a treat that is!) He could offer prize money way more than the opposition comps and allow the world's media to broadcast it for far less. The G14 would start out ok but would wither and die in time. It can be done!

This is where this G14 cartel nonsense ends. Let's take our ball in and get the Sheikh (who we simultaneously claim is not in control of the situation) to start a new competition without the G14. Hmm
 
If. Do you think the Der Spiegel emails suggest we have? Most City fans have over the months come up with various explanations as to why they are not damning. Even David Conn who politically does not like our owner, argued that the Etihad deal amounted to state sponsorship. Even if the UAE state did indeed finance a shortfall as long as City have in place a sponsorship agreement of £60m pa with etihad then that feels fair. If you are Der Spiegel and you want to damage a Sheikh then you can dress it up as deception but it needn't be that at all.

Let’s not forget that Der Spiegel also claimed in their mini-series of anti-City articles that we’d done something dodgy when signing Jadon Sancho from Watford, yet the FA concluded there was no case for us to answer. Around the same time, they claimed a multiple Champions League winner had failed a drugs test following a Champions League final but didn’t get a ban. However, upon publishing the full story - the player in question was Sergio Ramos - it turned out nothing of the sort happened.

Much of what Der Spiegel publishes is sensationalist trumped-up bollocks, and while I don’t doubt that they sometimes get it right, they’re the German equivalent of The Sun for me.
 
Jesus, hop offProject's dick.

The guy quotes a few of CAS' old verdicts, quotes the same Latin phrase "de novo" and people take what he says as gospel and for some reason defend him from any rebuttal (as you're doing)

for me he's acting like a bit of a dramatis personae.

If that’s genuinely all you think PR has added to the debate, then you either:
1 - don’t understand his posts, in which case why not respond and ask him what point he’s trying to make
2 - don’t agree with his take on the situation, in which case why not offer your alternative interpretation to add the the debate, or
3 - haven’t actually read his posts on this issue - in which case your opinion on them is, frankly, worthless.

He’s always taken the time to consider and respond to people’s questions drawing on his specific experience and expertise, which many may not have direct access to in their own line of work.

This is why most value his take on the whole CAS situation, and appreciate what he’s added to the debate. Just because he doesn’t go for the easy on the ear ‘UEFA are G14 scum and will fail because they’re bastards’ angle, and provides a bit more objectivity doesn’t mean he isn’t a ‘proper’ City fan.
 
If City felt that FFP was bollocks then the club should have challenged it when it was introduced. They didn't, they've agreed to Uefa's rules so it's absurd now that people are still trotting the line of "it's unfair".

This whole blaming other clubs is a nonsense. It's a competitive, multi billion industry where finishing fourth is a guaranteed £100m with CL qualification. The idea that other clubs are going to sit idly by and want City to get off freely if we have broken rules is a nonsense.

The epl that voted FFP in that needed 75% acceptance, the parachute payments was enough a bribe for most, the Champions League is an invitational competition in which you have to agree to the rules before you can enter, what makes you think City did not challenge the bollocks?
 
This is just a nothing post. People have to be aware of the ramifications of what happens next if we are banned. Nobody wants it. But its also worth pointing out, if the ban stands then City have fucked up. There won't be any defending it.

Interesting that you responded to it.

I believe you’ve posted in the past saying you’d be surprised if we weren’t guilty or something along those lines.
 
Let’s not forget that Der Spiegel also claimed in their mini-series of anti-City articles that we’d done something dodgy when signing Jadon Sancho from Watford, yet the FA concluded there was no case for us to answer. Around the same time, they claimed a multiple Champions League winner had failed a drugs test following a Champions League final but didn’t get a ban. However, upon publishing the full story - the player in question was Sergio Ramos - it turned out nothing of the sort happened.

Much of what Der Spiegel publishes is sensationalist trumped-up bollocks, and while I don’t doubt that they sometimes get it right, they’re the German equivalent of The Sun for me.

Hence their name in English is The Mirror. Says it all really.
 
Controversial take...

Some of our fans will be secretly annoyed if we don’t get banned. You know the types. Those always desperate to be contrarian and appear unbiased. It’ll ruin some of their potential ‘I told you so’ blog entries that’s for sure.

Controversial....and also frankly ridiculous
 
This is where this G14 cartel nonsense ends. Let's take our ball in and get the Sheikh (who we simultaneously claim is not in control of the situation) to start a new competition without the G14. Hmm
Better than playing in a comp that's rigged for the few. They want City's cash but god forbid we ever become a world renowned brand! I support City and always will. Playing against Everton, Leeds, Birmingham City, West Ham will become just as big in time as playing Rags, Dippers and The Arse now!
 
Interesting that you responded to it.

I believe you’ve posted in the past saying you’d be surprised if we weren’t guilty or something along those lines.

He’s even implied that we’re guilty in the last few pages. Now he’s entitled to his opinion like the rest of us, but I can’t see why any City fan - after being assured by the club that they’ve done nothing wrong - would believe UEFA over the club while the process is still ongoing, and in the absence of any comprehensive evidence showing why we are guilty. Now it might just be that the club have lied like fuck to us fans about all this but why any of our fans would think that at this stage is beyond me.
 
He’s even implied that we’re guilty in the last few pages. Now he’s entitled to his opinion like the rest of us, but I can’t see why any City fan - after being assured by the club that they’ve done nothing wrong - would believe UEFA over the club while the process is still ongoing, and in the absence of any comprehensive evidence showing why we are guilty. Now it might just be that the club have lied like fuck to us fans about all this but why any of our fans would think that at this stage is beyond me.
Yeah, completely un-City fan like to be pessimistic...

Preparing yourself for the worst and actually wanting the worst are two completely different things.
 
This is just a nothing post. People have to be aware of the ramifications of what happens next if we are banned. Nobody wants it. But its also worth pointing out, if the ban stands then City have fucked up. There won't be any defending it.

And this is why we will win, it is not City that will have fucked up, it is the the owner who may have, his payment to his sponsor is the problem not how much City got,, and it is this that City owner believes he can prove
 
He’s even implied that we’re guilty in the last few pages. Now he’s entitled to his opinion like the rest of us, but I can’t see why any City fan - after being assured by the club that they’ve done nothing wrong - would believe UEFA over the club while the process is still ongoing, and in the absence of any comprehensive evidence showing why we are guilty. Now it might just be that the club have lied like fuck to us fans about all this but why any of our fans would think that at this stage is beyond me.

If City are guilty I’ll be angry and I’ll hold my hands up to anyone who questions it. I’m not presuming our guilt based on the review of an institution which has proven to be corrupt though.

Unfortunately there’s a few out there amongst our own support that want us to be guilty. I read a City Xtra blog the other week that said they’d be ‘staggered’ if we’d done thing wrong.

Seems to be the same types who think our media coverage is no more negative than Liverpool’s.
 
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I’m not really bothered what other people think whether we win or lose tbh, that’ll be a secondary reaction for me.

I’m more interested personally in whether my trust has been well placed. I have no reason yet to doubt it is but ultimately all of this at the current moment in time only really boils down to that - trust. There isn’t enough evidence in the public domain to truly know either way, there never has been. That’s why Monday’s judgement is so important for me - it’s about my own relationship with the club and the ownership first and foremost, not what the media, rival clubs or opposition fans think.

I want and believe our irrefutable evidence to be...irrefutable. I’ll only be able to add that I know it is after Monday though.
 
Don't agree with that at all. CL qualification should be based on sporting issues, not a politically-motivated campaign to cripple a club. If we've broken rules then it's not unfair that we suffer some sort of sanction but we've already been punished for failing FFP.
Agree completely but it is a private organisation that presumably makes rules to suit its senior members. As such fairness can only be achieved from within so even the illegality of a barrier to entry in other sectors of business cuts no ice.
If the breadcrumbs received by its voting members support skewed rules what can we do?
Even if ee win we will always be at odds with those who fashion rules then skew them to suit their senior clubs.
Perhaps I am wrong but we are simply not wanted in this particular golf club.
 
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