UK far right trouble July/August 24

[bluemc1]

Not sure whether you've seen the news recently but the police are already being attacked and no amount of extra information that they release is going to change that. Attacking the families of the girls is probably a stretch though but it can be argued that jeopardising the trial will harm the families

Possibly but I can’t think of any reason so my final opinion is she was probably over exaggerating to get people calm down about it as they’re probably fed up of repeating they can’t release anything and people know a big part is him being 17

 

[mattcity5]

They're arseholes and tossers. More bothered about kicking off than about the feelings of those that have suffered. Destroying property of people who have nothing to do with it. None of this is justifiable.

There are so many lies on social media which inflamed things, but people need to try thinking. Acting as if everything was justified because someone with a machete/penknife turned up (or didn't).

Did the rioters stop that guy? No. The police did, despite being overstretched by a load of wankers who were just after trouble.

I can see what will happen at some point. Luckily this was just a lone wanker who did this attack. If it had been as part of a group, a small attack would prompt these far-right imbeciles to riot, keeping the police occupied, while a larger scale attack could happen unhindered.

If only there was room in our prisons for all of these cunts.

 

[stonerblue]

Inexcusable behaviour by racist bellends who will look for any excuse to have a scrap, same with the nobheads in London last night.

One disturbing thing in this thread is some people trying to conflate a bunch of feral pissed up, coked up thugs to the likes of just stop oil, the latter are a bit annoying, the other actively are bricking the police.

Well those 'bit annoying' protestors got 4 or 5 years in pokey. The bluemoon consensus was that stopping traffic could lead to loss of life or people not getting to work so they desrved the sentence.
The Southport, and other 'protestors' smashed up homes and shops and churches, brought traffic to a standstill, attacked the emergency services with weapons.
With the precedent set i would expect the edl organised mob to get at least 5 years hard labour.
There's nothing 'disturbing' about comparing the two protests.

 

[heslops barnet]

I hope the judge(s) who have these rioters before them have the balls to hand down exemplary sentences. Five years minimum.

It may sound harsh, but it's a lot less harsh than what I'd want to do if I were PM.

They’re a lot worse than oil protesters who got stiff sentences

 

[Phil1]

Well those 'bit annoying' protestors got 4 or 5 years in pokey. The bluemoon consensus was that stopping traffic could lead to loss of life or people not getting to work so they desrved the sentence.
The Southport, and other 'protestors' smashed up homes and shops and churches, brought traffic to a standstill, attacked the emergency services with weapons.
With the precedent set i would expect the edl organised mob to get at least 5 years hard labour.
There's nothing 'disturbing' about comparing the two protests.

Yeah I think that poster is getting mixed up.
My earlier point was that if the JSO mob are getting up to 5 years then these cunts should be getting double.

 

[west didsblue]

It HAS been on the cards.

Because for some two decades now, the political parties, instead of challenging this biggotry and trying to isolate and minimise it, have been quitely emboldening it to milk it for votes. Or at the very least turning a blind eye to it while reaping the benefits.

Because they realised, it is easier to convince people they are angry and misunderstood, and target their protest vote, than it is to convince them they as a party are any good.

They all fucking did it, the Tories scapegoated and blamestormed their way through the Cameron years to get and keep those swing votes off Labour. The Faragists took it further getting the far right votes over the Tories, who in turn borrowed the rhetoric to show they can be as tough and as open to racism, now branded free speech. And Labour fucking hid and even did their own share of pandering to what they perceived as the prevalent mood.

And in those circumstances it was then so easy to amplify it with exaggerated and faked news, to the pointnthe established media tiptoed around it to not lose audiences.

And then they acted surprised at the appetite for prejudice-led Brexit. And Still pandered to it, the split in their own parties feeding the split in society, and branding any questioning of biggotry as 'elitism', to only further reinforce it.

We as a society are complicit too. Not only the layers buying into it, but those in denial, making excuses and accepting it, for our own political flag waving.

How many times did we see these arguements in the name of Brexit, where sensible grounded people just accepted hatred as a valid reason to pursue an agenda, excused ignorance and repeatedly and naively argued it had nothing to do with underlying reason for the whole thing. Which, btw was meant to solve this whole issue once and for all, and look where we are.

And even now, we see a large percentage of apologists, on these threads never mind out there. 'Hey, this is happening because people are 'angry', we understand that'. No, they are ignorant, prejudiced, and selfish arseholes. Let's start there.

My question was more specific about why it was on the cards that there would be a riot at a mosque 400 yards from where 3 girls were murdered and a mile from where over a thousand people were gathered in a respectful vigil. Whatever perceived injustices the moronic rioters thought they were demonstrating against, there was absolutely no way that should have happened at that location. In reality the vast majority of them were only there because they like kicking off and someone gave them a pathetic excuse that wouldn’t stand up to any scrutiny if they wanted to put any thought into it. It takes a special type of **** to even consider it, and it’s sad that there’s so many of them about that are willing to come from all over the North West to riot in such a sensitive area. Shit stirrers like Farage, Yaxley and Tate are as bad as the rioters for spreading falsehoods or insinuating imaginary conspiracies which gave them the tiniest fig leaf to pretend to explain their lawlessness.

 

[northendenton]

They’re a lot worse than oil protesters who got stiff sentences

Depends on who you upset

 

[Carter1990]

The riots have started because a 17 year old lad walked into a dance studio in Southport stabed and killed 3 girls. A British male army officer was stabed last week outside his barracks. A female was stabbed and killed on a beach in bournemouth 2 weeks ago. Social services and police were set upon in Leeds for trying to take children of parents that were throwing them out of a window. The police then left them to riot and did nothing. The Manchester Airport incident let out on bail. If the police attempt to stop and search a member of the public who is of colour they are called racist by the left wing wokies so they don't do it anymore . The protests have been a disgrace the past couple of nights with shocking behaviour. There should of been peaceful protests. I said on another thread there is a massive security threat in this country with immigrants coming into this country with a hatred of our past. They are not taught all the great things England has done. That is just one of the many things that needs to be worked on.

 

[stonerblue]

I disagree with you in a way to be honest.
Yes the lockdowns have been gone for a few years now but people would have been affected forever with the affects of it.
Does it justify it, no it doesn't but I have found since post covid people to me more aggressive and have a lot more anger in them
This is the result of people being locked up for too long. I never agreed with the lockdowns and felt it could have been handled in another wat. Just my opinion.

I loved lockdown. Three months in the sunshine sat in the garden having a beer and tunes with the wife.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Yes, on the one side you’ve got massive cunts trying to defend the rioters and making excuses for the pond life and on the other side you have people calling them out for what they are.
You can call it division but I’d prefer to look at it as you’re on the right side or the wrong side of the argument.
Clue - smashing towns up, burning shit, punching random Muslims walking past and bricking mosques isn’t the right side..

You might be on the right side of the argument, as you say no one can condone punching random Muslim and bricking mosques, but then again you might be on the wrong side of the argument but still right about punching Muslims and bricking mosques. The rights and wrongs of an argument often get blurred by the actions of one side or another. No one should be cheer leading what happened yesterday, but your references to "massive cunts" and "pond life" ain't doing your side of the argument, whatever it may be, any favours either.