UK far right trouble

[johnny crossan]

Was Southport predictable?

Small scale? They’ve been large scale disorders.

Standing behind the shields is how you’re trained to protect yourself. Tactics involve cordons, running lines to take junctions (there was a clip from Hartkeoool).

You have to consider cell space-you arrest lots of people, what do you do with them. Every arrest will take 4-6 officers to arrest/detain, transport and book them in-then prepare a prisoner handover/statements, so you can quickly lose your capability to manage the incident. Often better to arrest in slow time.

The Met did employ snatch squads but that was a planned protest with a prescribed location that never really escalated-partly due to lack of masonry. But the Met is a huge force with much greater capacity for this -hence Starmer’s guarded response when asked about losing control in Hartlepool.

Police don’t routinely have loads of PSU officers sat round waiting to be deployed -they are largely taken from response shifts who are either running job to job, just ended their shifts or just beginning them-or heaven forbid on leave or rest days.

Approx 20% are trained-it’s voluntary.

I was a PSU Inspector for a few years-for a voluntary job, I was made to do it-and I didn’t get extra pay, I lost days off, albeit most of the time sat in a van bored.

But I also ran spontaneous incidents which included trying to get staff in to make up a PSU (22 cops)..it takes hours.

My impression from Starmer was saying that forces would cooperate (mutual aid-Merseyside needed officers from 3 other forces to provide PSUs) including from now having officers ready to be deployed-that will involve significant cost/officers having rest days/leave cancelled.

Its perfect, but it’s how it is.

Thanks for that, it's good to read a take from an informed perspective.

 

[Craig]

Nutjob or not he was sane enough to order a taxi where to go with his hunting knife.

Er, i’m going to say he had mental issues. Can people who have mental problems not order a taxi then?

 

[Mr Fraser]

Nutjob or not he was sane enough to order a taxi where to go with his hunting knife.

Hunting knife you say. You appear better informed than prosecuting counsel in court today

 

[i kne albert davy]

Hunting knife you say. You appear better informed than prosecuting counsel in court today

What was it then ?

 

[Bluemanc100]

everyone's on the fkn spectrum these days

Seems like it… How the fuck us old ‘uns made it is a miracle…

I’m glad I grew up before times changed.. I’m so grateful that social media wasn’t a thing for my generation

 

[i kne albert davy]

think there might be a flaw in this

There was a flaw alright 3 children lost their lives

 

[bert38]

Thanks for that, it's good to read a take from an informed perspective.

Cheers-you’ll notice in Southport officers were in normal kit for ages-so were completely unprotected and it was a couple of hours before PSU officers arrived.

Look for white hats, markings for the Sgt and red for the Insp -they’ll move in groups of 6 pc + 1 Sgt x 3 plus Insp generally.

 

[yankblue]

Because of dickheads like this

Imagine looking like that (referring to the twitter pic) and thinking your race is somehow superior

 

[Ric]

Er, i’m going to say he had mental issues. Can people who have mental problems not order a taxi then?

Apparently the ability to order a taxi trumps slaughtering children when it comes to ascertaining someone’s mental state.

 

[mrbelfry]

Nutjob or not he was sane enough to order a taxi where to go with his hunting knife.

The Dunblane cut the phone lines so people couldn't call for help. The Hungerford guy stopped for petrol I think. It's only in the movies these kinds of acts are committed by people scribbling on their walls. There will be some kind of logic and justification these guys use to commit their crimes that we won't understand but makes total sense to them.