UK far right trouble

[Gaylord du Bois]

This will definitely spill over into the football season

Not to mention darts.

 

[BlueTG]

This disorder and violence driven by racist thugs is unacceptable, but it is about time a British gov got a grip. Immigration needs to be properly managed. Starmer’s Stop the Boats is pathetic: he’ll spend a little in the countries from which it is coming and stop the boats that way,he says. No, he won’t.
If people find their local services stretched by immigration, they will be tempted to “protest.” A typical Brit problem; govs do nothing for years and then wonder why there is disorder. It will take a lot of sorting now.

Their local services? What? Like the GPs who have immigrated here, or the dentists? Or the nurses? And then Brexit making it harder for those professions such as nursing and care to be filled due to change in immigration laws? And then the scrotes rioting who are probably on benefits and contribute fuck all to deserve a service they see as being taken away from them. Or shall we cover immigrants, who have rights to local services? Or do we mean asylum seekers, who have rights under the human rights acts as we would if we fled war? Because “illegal immigrants” aren’t getting hold of services without any registrations.

The Tories, and the Brexit bollocks, have put paid to the availability of local services over the last decade, not immigrants.

The police look very weak outnumbered and underfunded

The Tory legacy.

 

[KS55]

I don’t really think anybody is disagreeing that immigration needs managing. And to say we all want better management is a bit of a truism, why wouldn’t we? I don’t see many people advocating open borders. I’ve made this point multiple times on here but this whole discussion is quite arbitrary and that’s why it’s so frustrating.

Pretty much nobody wants to be North Korea with totally closed borders.
Pretty much nobody wants to have totally open borders. Everybody wants the asylum process to be better, because currently it doesn’t benefit anybody.

We all want various shades of managed immigration. So what’s the right number? 10,000? 100,000? And who should they be? Nurses? Cleaners? Rocket Scientists? Refugees? Students? And in what proportions? Okay so let’s say we agree net migration ‘feels’ too high. Great, well it’s coming down significantly this year according to projections. So what will we be happy with? 300,000? 200,000? What’s the target here?

Unless people have a clear answer to all of these things then I’m not really sure what they want. They’re just shouting useless platitudes at each other with zero pragmatism.

My biggest problem is that this policy conversation isn’t the conversation people are actually having. It might be the conversation you want to have @KS55, because you understand there’s nuance here. But the vast majority of people currently in the “concerned about immigration” conversation don’t seem to ever state what they actually want so that we can discuss the pros and cons of what they’re suggesting. It’s not based on policy or evidence for them, it’s based on a generic and vague feeling. And we can’t incorporate vague feelings into a manifesto.

For us to start having a serious value-add discussion on this, somebody needs to propose a cogent alternative to what we’re doing now. I think that is an adult conversation we all want, but we can’t have that conversation when so many on the anti-immigration side (like Farage) act entirely in bad faith and aren’t capable of maintaining the discussion at that level.

Hooray. Somebody talking sense. I am very disappointed that people here are just shouting party slogans.The post which said it’s all down to Tory cuts was particularly childish. I’m not a supporter of either of the main parties so the silly blame game doesn’t interest me at all. What I would like to see in the longer term is a reformed House of Lords whose remit was to set up bi- partisan committees of actual experts to produce proposals for long term problems like immigration management, BBC funding, devolution, energy policy, LA funding etc etc not hamstrung by a 5 year planning horizon based on the need to win votes. Tony Blair set up such a body to look at energy. They came back with an answer that nuclear was clearly the best option. Blair took fright and just ignored the report. The gov of the day should be required to answer to those proposals. You may say that I’m a dreamer……

 

[splinter]

The eyes of the world will now be on us..not a good look..got to sort this mess out ASAP

 

[mattcity5]

It doesn’t help that the tories, the Mail the Express GB news Farage amongst others were allowed to replace the words refugee or asylum seekers with illegal immigrants. That made demonising easier and other parties allowing that to go unchallenged have a part in that responsibility as well.

Good shout. Language matters.

 

[bluemoon32]

Behave, go Aldi and chill out.

Fuck that, they're German but may be white, oh, i'm so fucking confused as to who to hate

 

[KS55]

Their local services? What? Like the GPs who have immigrated here, or the dentists? Or the nurses? And then Brexit making it harder for those professions such as nursing and care to be filled due to change in immigration laws? And then the scrotes rioting who are probably on benefits and contribute fuck all to deserve a service they see as being taken away from them. Or shall we cover immigrants, who have rights to local services? Or do we mean asylum seekers, who have rights under the human rights acts as we would if we fled war? Because “illegal immigrants” aren’t getting hold of services without any registrations.

The Tories, and the Brexit bollocks, have put paid to the availability of local services over the last decade, not immigrants.



The Tory legacy.

Ok, I should have said if people perceive that…

 

[KS55]

No it won’t.
It’s a criminal minority getting involved in this and they’ll soon realise that once they’re caught on camera they will eventually get arrested, charged and convicted. The more we see of the police kicking doors in and arresting them the less we’ll see it happen. It will fizzle out in a few days.

Oh, I hope so. Till the next time…

 

[bluemoon32]

Kicking off in Middlesbrough now

Que surprise

 

[BlueHammer85]

MPs on Twitter need to come off.

It’s a tidal wave of hatred and misinformation in all the comments underneath.