UK far right trouble

Blackley_Blue said:
It's good this locking knuckle draggers up ASAP. I completely agree with it (genuinely).

Can anyone tell me when the knuckle draggers who incited violence (including breaking a female police officers nose ) at Manchester airport are getting sent to prison? It must be soon given the incident happened before the riots?
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I think this is what concerns people. No problem with swift and tough justice, as long as it’s applied equally across the board, without fear or favour.
 
KDB Fan said:
Do you really think the authoritarian regimes that have existed over the years just say 'we're locking him for no crime'?

They claim they've broken a crime that's 'harmful', 'hateful', 'disinformation', 'inciting violence', 'against national security'...basically all the concepts we use to criminalise speech and either threaten them with a Draconian sentence so they plead guilty to a lesser sentence or appoint friendly judges to sentence them.

Very rarely do you get regimes just locking people up without even the pretence of someone committing a crime.
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Ask yourself this, how are we able to freely talk on this forum? Do you think that the views expressed on here are subject to potential prosecution and imprisonment? Of course they're not, it's never going to happen even if something said was illegal. It would only go this far if something said was actually very serious and got reported.

The greatest irony is that you are freely able to speak on here about the criminalisation of free speech. You are freely able to criticise the state and its use of the law to reign in people who a jury would judge overstepped the mark. You have offered no comment against what people have actually said which is awful in places. You're just basically arguing that people should be able to say anything because otherwise where should the line be drawn?

You only have to read into what some of these people have said so the question you should really be asking is should we legalise racism and hate given its apparently just free speech? Should we allow people to stand in the streets and antagonise minorities? My view is no we shouldn't, a line has to be drawn, we should also consider urgent prosecutions to act as a deterrent when that sentiment drives violence and riots which it did.

Similarly, it isn't free speech to speculate upon who committed a crime purely because you want to enable a means to antagonise and persecute Muslims. It would be perfectly okay to say that I think X geezer did it, it would however NOT be okay to say I think that X geezer did it because he's a Muslim and look everybody all Muslims are X.
 
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Justice is much swifter if you plead guilty.
If you plead 'not guilty' a full case has to be prepared for trial and this takes time. Not least because of the pressure on the legal system due to a decade of Tory cuts, including many court closures. Any one involved in the riots who pled 'not guilty' is unlikely to have been tried at this point.
This is so obvious I don't know why it needs to be explained.
Just for clarity, the sun will come up tomorrow and it will be Monday.
 
BrianW said:
Justice is much swifter if you plead guilty.
If you plead 'not guilty' a full case has to be prepared for trial and this takes time. Not least because of the pressure on the legal system due to a decade of Tory cuts, including many court closures. Any one involved in the riots who pled 'not guilty' is unlikely to have been tried at this point.
This is so obvious I don't know why it needs to be explained.
Just for clarity, the sun will come up tomorrow and it will be Monday.
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I can only apologise on behalf of the, and I will be kind here and call us the less enlightened than you, that you had to explain that to us.

Let’s hope the individuals caught on camera physically and violently assaulting police officers at Manchester airport are brought to justice asap.

We all surely agree that violent thugs should be in prison.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Child abusers and people who have committed knife crime will still be imprisoned. It isnt a question of one over another. And nobody has been jailed for being a keyboard warrior unless it incited racial hatred, or they acted upon it. And those crimes saw guilty pleas, as you well know
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Unfortunately, in a justice system with finite capacity, it is a question of one over another. And the idea that child abusers and knife criminals are all going to prison isn't true.

Most criminals who commit knife crime do not go to prison.

The proportion of offenders receiving an immediate custodial sentence for a knife and offensive weapon offence fell from 38% in YE June 2020 to 31% in YE June 2023.​

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www.gov.uk

Knife and Offensive Weapon Sentencing Statistics: April to June 2023

Trends in cautioning and sentencing of knife and offensive weapon offences.
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Only around half of child abusers go to prison.

Immediate custody accounted for around one-half (50%) of sentencing outcomes recorded by the MoJ for identifiable child sexual abuse offences in 2018. However, differences were seen in the type of child sexual abuse offences (Figure 1 and Table 25).
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Child abuse and the criminal justice system, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Information on responses to and outcomes of child abuse cases and the criminal justice system.
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So as distasteful as some keyboard warriors can be, no moral system of justice in the world should be locking people up for writing offensive things over people who are actually going out and physically harming people.
 
inbetween said:
Ask yourself this, how are we able to freely talk on this forum? Do you think that the views expressed on here are subject to potential prosecution and imprisonment? Of course they're not, it's never going to happen even if something said was illegal. It would only go this far if something said was actually very serious and got reported.

The greatest irony is that you are freely able to speak on here about the criminalisation of free speech. You are freely able to criticise the state and its use of the law to reign in people who a jury would judge overstepped the mark. You have offered no comment against what people have actually said which is awful in places. You're just basically arguing that people should be able to say anything because otherwise where should the line be drawn?

You only have to read into what some of these people have said so the question you should really be asking is should we legalise racism and hate given its apparently just free speech? Should we allow people to stand in the streets and antagonise minorities? My view is no we shouldn't, a line has to be drawn, we should also consider urgent prosecutions to act as a deterrent when that sentiment drives violence and riots which it did.

Similarly, it isn't free speech to speculate upon who committed a crime purely because you want to enable a means to antagonise and persecute Muslims. It would be perfectly okay to say that I think X geezer did it, it would however NOT be okay to say I think that X geezer did it because he's a Muslim and look everybody all Muslims are X.
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Yep you can be locked up for your views posted on here. Bluemoon doesn't get an exception under any legislation!

Also, just because people can criticise the state (although I'm not too sure about that anymore!) doesn't mean the police aren't like the Gestapo in terms of arresting people for saying other things they don't like. Lots of people criticise the state in Pakistan for example (and many don't get arrested) but the second you blaspheme a God or prophet, you're looking at the death penalty. Does that mean they've got freedom of speech in Pakistan? No it doesn't.

Also, I think you need to familiarise yourself with some of the examples that people are being locked up for. Some of it doesn't even come close to inciting violence and at worst, can be described as 'inaccurate'. They're the cases that have formed most of the discussion on this thread.
 
BrianW said:
Laughable, people comparing Starmer to Stalin.

It only proves their ignorance, as they obviously have no clue what Stalin did. Let's put it this way, even if you were in Stalin's fucking Cabinet (or equivalent) you could be carried off to a gulag or shot if you took one wrong step. Or even if Stalin thought you had taken a wrong step.

It's offensive, to be honest, to make such a comparison. Like comparing Butlins to Auschwitz would be. It's way, way beyond hyperbole.
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It plants the seed with the thick fuckers that love Farage.
 
KDB Fan said:
You're right...I'm reading too much shit, it's called the CPS website. Shocking to hear what people are getting locked up for while all kinds of criminals are released/escape punishment but shows what our country's become recently.
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what would you like to say but can't for fear of being locked up ?
 
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