UK Rail network to be nationalised

[gordondaviesmoustache]

For 9 out of the 10 years, the Tories have cut council funding.
Covid happens and they have to socially fund in all areas.

Vic’s point about cutting funding to local councils for a decade is made moot because the austerity party had to fund councils more in the past year to fund mandatory lockdowns in a pandemic seems slightly disingenuous.

How could it possibly be disingenuous if I’d expressly referred to the ‘last twelve months’ when framing my point? Absolute bollocks.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How could it possibly be disingenuous if I’d expressly referred to the ‘last twelve months’ when framing my point? Absolute bollocks.

If you want to do that. That is your prerogative. A pandemic meaning a national lockdown kind of skews any meaning you were trying to make in your argument.

Fortunately, when we come out of this pandemic, and we return to most deprived areas not receiving anywhere near enough funding (which was previously propped up by the EU), we’re going to enter a period where most areas north of London waking up to the notion that they’ll have absolutely nothing. Where we go from there is a saga yet to be discovered.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If you want to do that. That is your prerogative. A pandemic meaning a national lockdown kind of skews any meaning you were trying to make in your argument.

Then attack that point, don't throw irrelevant stats into the mix. That's a ****’s trick.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Then attack that point, don't throw irrelevant stats into the mix. That's a ****’s trick.

Maybe, but this isn’t a court. They aren’t irrelevant, they are irrelevant the the point you are defending.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Maybe, but this isn’t a court. They aren’t irrelevant, they are irrelevant the the point you are defending.

Then why bother replying to my post. If it was irrelevant to the point I was defending, why not make a discrete post?

 

[Vic]

How could it possibly be disingenuous if I’d expressly referred to the ‘last twelve months’ when framing my point? Absolute bollocks.

Because in my first response I quoted three sources that said coronavirus had exacerbated the problems in the last twelve months.

Nothing like sharing your ignorance. How can you "see" a shortfall in funding?

Budget cuts planned for social care as councils count cost of pandemic, public spending watchdog finds - Community Care

Almost all English councils are planning to slash budgets this year in the wake of Covid-19, including through reviewing adult care packages and increasing service user charges, the public spending watchdog has found.

www.communitycare.co.uk

English councils battling financial ruin - BBC News

BBC correspondents look at why their local authorities are in trouble - and it isn't just Covid...

www.bbc.co.uk

"It is good that the Chancellor has provided further funding for councils to manage the cost pressures they face as a result of the pandemic. New funding for adult and children’s social care will also help address some - but not all - of the pressures these services face next year. Councils will still have to find savings to already stretched budgets in order to plug funding gaps and meet their legal duty to set a balanced budget next year." (Tory leader of the Local Government Association.)

Simply, the government told councils to spend whatever was necessary, but have reneged on the promise to reimburse.

You may have "seen" a lot of money being spent but you've not seen it coming back in full to councils.

And nothing has changed in the trajectory of year on year cuts in central funding. And now instead of reasonably transparent formula funding, the Tories are inviting councils to bid for funds that, surprise, seem to be more likely to go to Tory areas and marginals, or constituencies of ministers like "just happened to sit next to a developer at a Tory fundraiser" Jenrick.

They're even claiming credit for more funding for social care but it's council tax payers funding it with 3% on your council tax and that's going to be nowhere near enough.

I really don't know what you've "seen" or what you "oversee", but I see no evidence from you to refute what the Local Government Association says, and that body is Tory-led. "Throughout the COVID-19 crisis, the LGA has consistently highlighted the financial pressures of the pandemic on local government and continues to make the case that the Government should cover the full impact of the crisis."

COVID-19 funding for local government in 2021/22 consultation

The Local Government Association (LGA) welcomes the opportunity to respond to the Government’s consultation on aspects of the COVID-19 funding for local government in 2021/22. The LGA is here to support, promote and improve local government. Throughout the COVID-19 crisis, the LGA has...

www.local.gov.uk

 

[Rascal]

I’ve seen no discernible sign of cuts in local government. Local government has been given tremendous support from the central state in the last twelve months. I've seen it with my own eyes. And quite right too, btw - but to say there have been cuts in local government, where not a single employee has been on furlough, for obvious reasons btw, is plainly wrong.

Is Jenrick your MP perhaps.

It has been fun reading whilst watching you flounder like a drunken Elephant Seal. :))

You must surely accept anecdote is no substitute for evidence. As Orwell said "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, it was there final, most essential command" You are seeing through false eyes, those of the propagandists, not your own.

You daft bugger.

 

[Vic]

I hadn't even addressed the claim that no employee in local government had been furloughed. Where did that nonsense come from?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Then why bother replying to my post. If it was irrelevant to the point I was defending, why not make a discrete post?

If you want to carry on your moot point about only factoring in the past 12 months when a pandemic has overridden all other politics, even Brexit, then carry on. You’re making an irrelevant point.

 

[mat]