UK State Pension

[i kne albert davy]

It's not farmland if it's already earmarked for development. I didn't have you down as an environmentalist.

Alas you'd be dead wrong seeing as l've spent the last quarter of a century in the energy conservation/carbon reduction industry and I know we're pissin in the wind if we're encouraging a population boom and destroying more open spaces, and while we're on the evironmental subject have a word with your mates in the EU taking us to court for having the audacity to stop the extermination of the sand eel in our own waters.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The later.

Or latter…

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Alas you'd be dead wrong seeing as l've spent the last quarter of a century in the energy conservation/carbon reduction industry and I know we're pissin in the wind if we're encouraging a population boom and destroying more open spaces, and while we're on the evironmental subject have a word with your mates in the EU taking us to court for having the audacity to stop the extermination of the sand eel in our own waters.

Yes let's not tackle the problem and make homelessness worse and create ghettos and encourage illegal extensions etc.

 

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Re-furbished. I'm currently listening to my washing machine purring away. It cost £99 fitted and old one removed six years ago.

Zanussi the appliance of science ours is over twenty five year old, we have replaced the door rubber and the water inlet hose in all that time.
Family of five I dread if it ever packs in because modern ones have built in obsolescence imo.

Currently refurbished washers are £200/£300 a luxury for poor people of any age. Most will have to rely on washing clothes in the sink with a pair of vintage washing tongs £30 on eBay, or the laundrette if we still have them
I hope people on subsistence wages get a voucher for a washing machine cooker and other essentials

 

[elbearos]

Bears and wolves roaming wild, wildlife flourishing there I take it. I must make a point of visiting.

Dont go, its overcrowded

 

[flook]

Well if we are that bothered about it why aren't we prosecuting and jailing water company executives for illegally dumping shit in the river and not upgrading the infrastructure all whilst paying out record dividends?

We should be, but their response would be to put up the costs of water

United Utilities to increase water bills by 32% over five years

Households supplied by United Utilities will typically see their annual bills rise by £86 from April.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lost for words]

Yes let's not tackle the problem and make homelessness worse and create ghettos and encourage illegal extensions etc.

While not wanting to get involved in a migration argument, I can't understand the logic of refugees traipsing across the EU and paying thousands to cross the Channel by raft just to end up sleeping in doorways, or at best landing a job delivering for Just Eat and the like. If UK born people cannot find a place they can call home then how on Earth can others with no connection with this country expect to jump an ever lengthening queue?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

While not wanting to get involved in a migration argument, I can't understand the logic of refugees traipsing across the EU and paying thousands to cross the Channel by raft just to end up sleeping in doorways, or at best landing a job delivering for Just Eat and the like. If UK born people cannot find a place they can call home then how on Earth can others with no connection with this country expect to jump an ever lengthening queue?

Is that actually what happens with asylum seekers and refugees?

 

[halfmist]

While not wanting to get involved in a migration argument, I can't understand the logic of refugees traipsing across the EU and paying thousands to cross the Channel by raft just to end up sleeping in doorways, or at best landing a job delivering for Just Eat and the like. If UK born people cannot find a place they can call home then how on Earth can others with no connection with this country expect to jump an ever lengthening queue?

In my experience I have yet to see an asylum seeker sleeping on the streets in the Uk.
They may be doing it in France to preserve their savings for their passage to the Uk.
The only ones I see sleeping in the streets are Uk born citizens who have been abandoned by the State in order to pay for the world’s waifs and strays.

 

[homerdog]

Armed forces higher-ups... forcing them to pay tax on it.

...higher-up medical staff... the tax bills... are staggering.

As the lifetime allowance is over a million quid, you'll have to excuse me for not feeling too sorry for them.
Isn't this thread about people struggling on the state pension?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

In my experience I have yet to see an asylum seeker sleeping on the streets in the Uk.
They may be doing it in France to preserve their savings for their passage to the Uk.
The only ones I see sleeping in the streets are Uk born citizens who have been abandoned by the State in order to pay for the world’s waifs and strays.

That's not actually true. Rough sleeping has rocketed since 2010.

Also rough sleepers haven't necessarily been abandoned, some of them will have had offers of accommodation in hostels or lost their long term housing due to ASB.

People with long term substance abuse and mental illness from childhood trauma need more care and resources than asylum seekers in a hotel and asylum seekers allowance. And they are usually entitled to more care and resources.

Asylum seekers have no housing rights through local authorities. Rough sleepers may have more rights, because they have mental illness, served in the military or been in prison. They should still get full job seeking element of UC.

But some rough sleepers are transient and move around so much that they do them self out of housing rights and the path to a warm bed and safe route to recovery.

Not to mention that rental costs are too high and there's not enough housing.

 

[stonerblue]

In my experience I have yet to see an asylum seeker sleeping on the streets in the Uk.
They may be doing it in France to preserve their savings for their passage to the Uk.
The only ones I see sleeping in the streets are Uk born citizens who have been abandoned by the State in order to pay for the world’s waifs and strays.

How do you know they are uk born?
in my town we've had foreign homeless sleeping in the park behind my house.
On the estate in front of my house we have a lovely council bungalow that has been turned into a smack house by its current English born occupant and his scum mates.

 

[halfmist]

How do you know they are uk born?
in my town we've had foreign homeless sleeping in the park behind my house.
On the estate in front of my house we have a lovely council bungalow that has been turned into a smack house by its current English born occupant and his scum mates.

Well if they are not UK born, hats off to them for perfecting their accents.

 

[halfmist]

That's not actually true. Rough sleeping has rocketed since 2010.

Also rough sleepers haven't necessarily been abandoned, some of them will have had offers of accommodation in hostels or lost their long term housing due to ASB.

People with long term substance abuse and mental illness from childhood trauma need more care and resources than asylum seekers in a hotel and asylum seekers allowance. And they are usually entitled to more care and resources.

Asylum seekers have no housing rights through local authorities. Rough sleepers may have more rights, because they have mental illness, served in the military or been in prison. They should still get full job seeking element of UC.

But some rough sleepers are transient and move around so much that they do them self out of housing rights and the path to a warm bed and safe route to recovery.

Not to mention that rental costs are too high and there's not enough housing.

I am talking about my experiences. I have never said EVERY.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

While not wanting to get involved in a migration argument, I can't understand the logic of refugees traipsing across the EU and paying thousands to cross the Channel by raft just to end up sleeping in doorways, or at best landing a job delivering for Just Eat and the like. If UK born people cannot find a place they can call home then how on Earth can others with no connection with this country expect to jump an ever lengthening queue?

Jump?

 

[metalblue]

That's not actually true. Rough sleeping has rocketed since 2010.

Also rough sleepers haven't necessarily been abandoned, some of them will have had offers of accommodation in hostels or lost their long term housing due to ASB.

People with long term substance abuse and mental illness from childhood trauma need more care and resources than asylum seekers in a hotel and asylum seekers allowance. And they are usually entitled to more care and resources.

Asylum seekers have no housing rights through local authorities. Rough sleepers may have more rights, because they have mental illness, served in the military or been in prison. They should still get full job seeking element of UC.

But some rough sleepers are transient and move around so much that they do them self out of housing rights and the path to a warm bed and safe route to recovery.

Not to mention that rental costs are too high and there's not enough housing.

Surely it has to be true? Not based on observations but based on common sense. Anyone who is an asylum seeker has notified themselves to the authorities on arrival. The authorities are not going to say “cheers, find a park bench to sleep on and come back in a couple of years for your decision”. They’re going to put them where they can keep track of them so they can grant stay or deport - as I understand it asylum seekers can opt for provided accommodation or live with someone but they have to be of some fixed abode so they do have the right to accommodation. They can be classed as homeless but not rough sleepers.

Of course some may “flee” the system or not bother requesting asylum on arrival (but then they are technically not asylum seekers) and those fleeing would, again logically, be because they’ve been refused so no longer classed as asylum seekers.

Once they have successfully been granted right to stay they may become rough sleepers like anyone else who falls on hard times.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Surely it has to be true? Not based on observations but based on common sense. Anyone who is an asylum seeker has notified themselves to the authorities on arrival. The authorities are not going to say “cheers, find a park bench to sleep on and come back in a couple of years for your decision”. They’re going to put them where they can keep track of them so they can grant stay or deport - as I understand it asylum seekers can opt for provided accommodation or live with someone but they have to be of some fixed abode so they do have the right to accommodation. They can be classed as homeless but not rough sleepers.

Of course some may “flee” the system or not bother requesting asylum on arrival (but then they are technically not asylum seekers) and those fleeing would, again logically, be because they’ve been refused so no longer classed as asylum seekers.

Once they have successfully been granted right to stay they may become rough sleepers like anyone else who falls on hard times.

Sorry think you have misinterpreted something.

Asylum seekers accommodation is provided by the home office.

Housing to the general population is provided by local authorities through their own stock, housing associations and approved private landlords and paid for by housing benefit and topped up by the person's other benefits.

So they aren't jumping the queue because they aren't in the queue.

I also know a former asylum seeker that is now an approved refugee.

I wonder how @halfmist can tell who asylum seekers are just by looking at them.

 

[metalblue]

Sorry think you have misinterpreted something.

Asylum seekers accommodation is provided by the home office.

Housing to the general population is provided by local authorities through their own stock, housing associations and approved private landlords and paid for by housing benefit and topped up by the person's other benefits.

So they aren't jumping the queue because they aren't in the queue.

I also know a former asylum seeker that is now an approved refugee.

I wonder how @halfmist can tell who asylum seekers are just by looking at them.

No they aren’t jumping the queue at all.

I start from the premise that everyone who is entitled to live here is entitled to housing (who wants it) - and I appreciate that’s easy said but very hard to do. Given the limited supply people will always find who they consider more deserving groups for housing when in reality we should be shouting at the government for not providing enough housing in the first place (excluding Rayner until she fails to deliver her housing targets but I do think they are trying so I cut them some slack on this).

 

[mancity dan]

Is this a thread about the uk state pension?

 

[flook]

Is this a thread about the uk state pension?

used to be, back in the day