UK State Pension

Mr Kobayashi said:
No I didn't miss the point. It just wasn't persuasive.

As I said, it's never been the point that the fund was to be solely used for benefits. Governments have discretion to raid that so called piggy bank and have always exercised that discretion. Conversely if the fund was in deficit, the expectation would be that the government topped it up.
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I might agree with you but it's not the government that tops it up but the poor taxpayer as government has no money.
 
Brunswick Blue said:
I might agree with you but it's not the government that tops it up but the poor taxpayer as government has no money.
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Correct.

But once tax is in government coffers it is government money.

In response to the reference from @Kirkstall Blue re Beveridge.

sochealth.co.uk

Beveridge: Three Guiding Principles of Recommendations - Socialist Health Association

6. In proceeding from this first comprehensive survey of social insurance to the next task - of making recommendations - three guiding principles may be laid down at the outset. 7. The first principle is that any proposals for the future, while they should use to the full the…
sochealth.co.uk sochealth.co.uk

10. The Plan for Social Security set out in this Report is built upon these principles. It uses experience but is not tied by experience. It is put forward as a limited contribution to a wider social policy, though as something that could be achieved now without waiting for the whole of that policy. It is, first and foremost, a plan of insurance – of giving in return for contributions benefits up to subsistence level, as of right and without means test, so that individuals may build freely upon it.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Correct.

But once tax is in government coffers it is government money.

In response to the reference from @Kirkstall Blue re Beveridge.

sochealth.co.uk

Beveridge: Three Guiding Principles of Recommendations - Socialist Health Association

6. In proceeding from this first comprehensive survey of social insurance to the next task - of making recommendations - three guiding principles may be laid down at the outset. 7. The first principle is that any proposals for the future, while they should use to the full the…
sochealth.co.uk sochealth.co.uk

10. The Plan for Social Security set out in this Report is built upon these principles. It uses experience but is not tied by experience. It is put forward as a limited contribution to a wider social policy, though as something that could be achieved now without waiting for the whole of that policy. It is, first and foremost, a plan of insurance – of giving in return for contributions benefits up to subsistence level, as of right and without means test, so that individuals may build freely upon it.
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Which raises another concern. Many professions have competencies and qualifications required before they can practice, yet we trust MPs to manage trillions of our money annually. Where is the governing body that sets out the competences and qualifications to become an MP?
 
mosssideblue said:
Which raises another concern. Many professions have competencies and qualifications required before they can practice, yet we trust MPs to manage trillions of our money annually. Where is the governing body that sets out the competences and qualifications to become an MP?
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That's a fair question. It's an interesting suggestion but real life would probably turn it into the equivalent of Rotten barons and restrict the commons to public school twits who have been coached to pass the "entrance exam".

But I suppose the answer is that the actual management is done by the technical experts within the civil service. Just as Presidents or PMs (outside of Hitler and Putin) don't make battlefield decisions.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
That's a fair question. It's an interesting suggestion but real life would probably turn it into the equivalent of Rotten barons and restrict the commons to public school twits who have been coached to pass the "entrance exam".

But I suppose the answer is that the actual management is done by the technical experts within the civil service. Just as Presidents or PMs (outside of Hitler and Putin) don't make battlefield decisions.
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When we look back over the years it is something that needs looking into, but the reality would make it a closed shop.

There certainly needs to be better accountability for the waste from all Governments and we simply let them get away with it
 

Pedestrian said:
How the fuck did you manage with a 5yr old car.
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You are showing your ignorance there so I am afraid the joke is on you. You clearly don’t know that the 90 related to the size CC of the engine. If you know of a car with that size engine then please let me know how the fuck they managed that
 
halfmist said:
You are showing your ignorance there so I am afraid the joke is on you. You clearly don’t know that the 90 related to the size CC of the engine. If you know of a car with that size engine then please let me know how the fuck they managed that
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I’m in absolute awe that you managed with a 5 yr old car. Send me your address and I’ll send you my war medals. You absolute warrior.
 
halfmist said:
As someone else has already told you it is not a car
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Apologies my error. Sounds like you were served a rotten egg and as happens in life you pulled your socks up and got on with it. Like millions of suppliers have to on a daily basis when companies go bankrupt and cant pay them.
 
Pedestrian said:
Apologies my error. Sounds like you were served a rotten egg and as happens in life you pulled your socks up and got on with it. Like millions of suppliers have to on a daily basis when companies go bankrupt and cant pay them.
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We suffered our fair share of bad debt from firms going bust on us.
We owed very little to suppliers at the end as they obviously wouldn’t wait until we were paid by our customer so they had already been paid.
This household name refused to pay us for all the work we had already done for them so we could not use the funds to make the changes they wanted and the bank Nat West refused to back us any further.
We, not the bank pulled the plug immediately to avoid stringing creditors along.
None of the directors had received any salaries for months and it was the bank itself and the leasing companies that mainly missed out.
None of the employees lost out, the directors went their own way and we gave all the existing customers to the employees who set up their own business on a much smaller scale.
There are fly by night companies out there but we were definitely not one of them.
 
mosssideblue said:
Which raises another concern. Many professions have competencies and qualifications required before they can practice, yet we trust MPs to manage trillions of our money annually. Where is the governing body that sets out the competences and qualifications to become an MP?
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Councillors also.
 
mosssideblue said:
Which raises another concern. Many professions have competencies and qualifications required before they can practice, yet we trust MPs to manage trillions of our money annually. Where is the governing body that sets out the competences and qualifications to become an MP?
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Rule by Government with expertise and competence is called a technocracy. Personally I think I would be happy if politicians could just learn to answer questions they get asked rather than answering a question they wish had been asked.
 
halfmist said:
Rule by Government with expertise and competence is called a technocracy. Personally I think I would be happy if politicians could just learn to answer questions they get asked rather than answering a question they wish had been asked.
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Can agree with you but would also want to see incompetence addressed properly
 
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