UKIP=BNP=EDL=ALL ONE IN THE SAME

[Rascal]

If the europhiles had their way we'd have swapped the pound for the euro long ago and we'd be a damn sight more fucked than we are now.

"UKIP are racist" - this is the only fucking counter argument they've got. Laughable.

Who was it that stopped us joining the Euro?

 

[roaminblue]

Like aboloshing the NHS and welfare system

Then lets

Restore some good old victorian values and bring back workhouses for workshy

Get rid of all them bloody immogrants


And we'll all be drinking tea and eating fancies whilst watching cricket out on the lawn.

-- Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:28 pm --



But at what cost?

At present we can trade without any restrictions

What's to stop EU putting up barriers to entry such as restrictions to trade for non EU customers, importation tax's ?

The answer absolutely nothing if the EU decides it wants to strengthen its union.

it would not be in their interest, we take more from the eec than they import from the UK

There is also the very unpalatable truth that the two countries in Europe outside the EU are also the most prosperous.

I assume you mean Switzerland and Norway?

Some points: Norway and Switzerland, as economies, that are not comparable to the UK. Look at their main sources of income. The uk has neither.

Both contribute extensively to the eu anyway, yet do not have any influence over policies, and still have to abide by policies to trade in the eu.

Now, regards to the eu debate, I cannot profess to be particularly up to date, but I've yet to see definitive evidence that we should definitely not be in the eu.

Finally, no one found my joke funny, it seems. I'm horrified

 

[tidyman]

As I said in the other UKIP thread, their policies on anything but membership of the EU and immigration are irrelevant because they know they will never be in a position where they matter.

No one who disagrees with their stance on Europe is ever going to vote for them because they like their other policies. The same as no one is ever going to vote Green who disagrees with their environmental policies but likes their stance on other things.

They are a one trick pony who are getting support because their thing is currently seen as topical. When it no longer is the big issue a lot of people currently seem to think it is, their supporters will gradually crawl back to where they came.

 

[roaminblue]

If the europhiles had their way we'd have swapped the pound for the euro long ago and we'd be a damn sight more fucked than we are now.

"UKIP are racist" - this is the only fucking counter argument they've got. Laughable.

Ok, so I believe that while the euro appears to be failing, it does not necessarily mean that monetary only unions will always fail. That doesn't mean to it won't continue to do so by the way.

We must take into account the circumstances of the global economy over the past six years. Mistakes were made, yes, the German debt model couldn't be extrapolated, in the early years over stimulated demand wasn't felt with by contraction, governmental lending was also probably too high (as a consequence excess wasn't dealt with) and austerity was possibly over emphasized recently.

But, that does not mean that monetary unions can't exist successfully. The eu is as much a product of the crisis as we are/were.

It has developed free trade agreements, and is in the process of developing more. It is a fact that the uks income from Europe is much higher than income from the us, aus and brics and over fifty percent of exports go to the eu.

Our indecision on the eu is merely strengthening other countries resolves when it comes to our negotiations. Over time it will become harder to successfully negotiate beneficial terms to joining completely.

I think, now we are a globalised world anyway, that we are going to be more and more dependent on other countries to support our own economy, whether we like it or not.

The cost of our current membership is small and certainly outweighed by benefits, but whether or not we can agree favourable terms may force our hand.

Some would argue that with increased globalisation it makes sense to work with our neighbours, others will argue that we can do so without a union. It boils down to ideological differences, but there is a great deal of misinformation out there.

Me? I think ill sit firmly on the fence.

There, and not a mention of the word "racist"

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

If the europhiles had their way we'd have swapped the pound for the euro long ago and we'd be a damn sight more fucked than we are now.

"UKIP are racist" - this is the only fucking counter argument they've got. Laughable.

Ok, so I believe that while the euro appears to be failing, it does not necessarily mean that monetary only unions will always fail. That doesn't mean to it won't continue to do so by the way.

We must take into account the circumstances of the global economy over the past six years. Mistakes were made, yes, the German debt model couldn't be extrapolated, in the early years over stimulated demand wasn't felt with by contraction, governmental lending was also probably too high (as a consequence excess wasn't dealt with) and austerity was possibly over emphasized recently.

But, that does not mean that monetary unions can't exist successfully. The eu is as much a product of the crisis as we are/were.

It has developed free trade agreements, and is in the process of developing more. It is a fact that the uks income from Europe is much higher than income from the us, aus and brics and over fifty percent of exports go to the eu.

Our indecision on the eu is merely strengthening other countries resolves when it comes to our negotiations. Over time it will become harder to successfully negotiate beneficial terms to joining completely.

I think, now we are a globalised world anyway, that we are going to be more and more dependent on other countries to support our own economy, whether we like it or not.

The cost of our current membership is small and certainly outweighed by benefits, but whether or not we can agree favourable terms may force our hand.

Some would argue that with increased globalisation it makes sense to work with our neighbours, others will argue that we can do so without a union. It boils down to ideological differences, but there is a great deal of misinformation out there.

Me? I think ill sit firmly on the fence.

There, and not a mention of the word "racist"

Interesting post but the bit in bold is where your argument fails (in my opinion), because the EU is costing us a fortune and the benefits do not outweigh the cost.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Today's Daily Mirror features a lovely picture of UKIP prospective election candidate for Somerset Alex Wood giving a fabulous Sieg Heil Nazi salute, brandishing knives and calling African people 'subhuman trash'.
Not that this in any way points to UKIP being a racist party, you understand.

 

[Skashion]

If the europhiles had their way we'd have swapped the pound for the euro long ago and we'd be a damn sight more fucked than we are now.

"UKIP are racist" - this is the only fucking counter argument they've got. Laughable.

I can make criticisms of UKIP all day long from both a left-wing and a right-wing, especially right-libertarian positions, it's just I don't think any prospective UKIP voters will be interested in my criticisms.

 

[stonerblue]

I believe UKIP are the only party that can take us back to the traditional values that can save this once great nation.

What are these 'traditional values' and which point iin time would you go back to where our nation was 'great'?

 

[stonerblue]

Today's Daily Mirror features a lovely picture of UKIP prospective election candidate for Somerset Alex Wood giving a fabulous Sieg Heil Nazi salute, brandishing knives and calling African people 'subhuman trash'.
Not that this in any way points to UKIP being a racist party, you understand.

just a rogue element..

 

[roaminblue]

If the europhiles had their way we'd have swapped the pound for the euro long ago and we'd be a damn sight more fucked than we are now.

"UKIP are racist" - this is the only fucking counter argument they've got. Laughable.

Ok, so I believe that while the euro appears to be failing, it does not necessarily mean that monetary only unions will always fail. That doesn't mean to it won't continue to do so by the way.

We must take into account the circumstances of the global economy over the past six years. Mistakes were made, yes, the German debt model couldn't be extrapolated, in the early years over stimulated demand wasn't felt with by contraction, governmental lending was also probably too high (as a consequence excess wasn't dealt with) and austerity was possibly over emphasized recently.

But, that does not mean that monetary unions can't exist successfully. The eu is as much a product of the crisis as we are/were.

It has developed free trade agreements, and is in the process of developing more. It is a fact that the uks income from Europe is much higher than income from the us, aus and brics and over fifty percent of exports go to the eu.

Our indecision on the eu is merely strengthening other countries resolves when it comes to our negotiations. Over time it will become harder to successfully negotiate beneficial terms to joining completely.

I think, now we are a globalised world anyway, that we are going to be more and more dependent on other countries to support our own economy, whether we like it or not.

The cost of our current membership is small and certainly outweighed by benefits, but whether or not we can agree favourable terms may force our hand.

Some would argue that with increased globalisation it makes sense to work with our neighbours, others will argue that we can do so without a union. It boils down to ideological differences, but there is a great deal of misinformation out there.

Me? I think ill sit firmly on the fence.

There, and not a mention of the word "racist"

Interesting post but the bit in bold is where your argument fails (in my opinion), because the EU is costing us a fortune and the benefits do not outweigh the cost.

Sorry, it was late. I meant to put arguably as opposed to certainly. The net membership cost is, estimated to be circa 10bn. Arguably, what we gain for that membership is greater