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Past their best is being generous they were quite simply fucking awful.
Genuine question is it possible peps heard the result of the 115 and knows a huge points deduction is on the way ?
It’s the only reason I can think of why he played the ineffective oap’s
Probably bollox
Doku and Savinho can be exciting to watch but when they play there are plenty of grumbles about assists, shots, composure etc. IMO one of the big pluses of the season is O'Reilly. But why haven't we seen him in midfield? Is that a stupid suggestion? From what I gather he can play further forward.
 
We still have Khusanov, Reis and Echeverri to come into the squad plus injured players like Stones, Akanji, Ake, Rodri and Bobb. Savinho is is his first season at City. Marnoush has played less than 10 games for us. Both will improve. We may only need 1-2 players in the Summer.
Really ???? Stones always injured . Ake more injury prone as he gets older . Savinho can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo . Nobody has the first idea about Reis and going off our other signings of late don’t hold your breath . Rodri and Bobb have both missed a full season and they may or may not hit the ground running . Echeverri another unknown quantity. Add the fact that Foden has fallen off a cliff and they may or other long serving midfield have reached the end of the road then two players needed is optimistic.
 
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Do you not think Grealish and Nico wouldn't have offered more than Gundo and Kova in the middle?
Possibly. I don't know why Grealish hasn't played more often in midfield this season. I don't whether that's injury, fitness, attitude, or Pep. I think Nico was unlucky not to start
 
This is going to take 2/3 seasons to sort out.

This is far more than throwing cash at 5-6 new players and expecting us to challenge, that ain't happening.
My guess would be will take even longer if Pep replaced.
5 top level players, maybe, but the right players in the right positions and we’ll be up there again, challenging
 
I can understand the disappointment of seeing a City side that won 4 titles back to backs start to struggle. It is clear that the side is aging and has been badly affected by injuries. You are entitled to want a new coach but given Pep's CV, and his success at City, I hope City stick with Pep.
Agree, come September with Rodri,Haaland,maybe Ake/Stones/Akanji/ back ,Foden rejuvenated, January signings more acclimatised and further upgrades we will hopefully be a force again.
We should be able to absorb one mediocre season for injuries/off field battles/Pep's personal issues etc. If we are here again next season we will REALLY have something to moan about !
 
Really ???? Stones always injured . Ake more injury prone as he gets older . Savinho can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo . Nobody has the first idea about Reis and going off our other signings of late don’t hold your breath . Rodri and Bobb have both missed a full season and they may or may not hit the ground running . Echeverri
There's question marks against them all but some of them may play a huge part in City's future but are not ready at this moment. It's really difficult to say where we are with City's squad. We definitely have a problem with chronic injuries. We also unusually bought some very young players, so it will be a case of wait and see. Not ideal because the transfer window is small. You need to know what you are dealing with. I think we will be stronger next season though.
 
My guess would be will take even longer if Pep replaced.
5 top level players, maybe, but the right players in the right positions and we’ll be up there again, challenging
The club WC worries me with Pep, the last thing he needed this summer.

Ideally he needed a long summer away from football, sort out his private life and come back refreshed with a new coaching set up and a full preseason.
 
I'm not really sure where to put this post because it's more of a general feeling I'm about to express, but it is the derby that's made me feel this way, so here it goes.

I have to admit I've been pretty downbeat and sad after the game this evening. Not because of the result (we've seen worse at Old Trafford and a point isn't too bad in the circumstances) and not even because of the performance (I've seen worse in recent memory), but because I realised as soon as the team came out that this might well be it. The big it - the absolute end of the fucking line. For this set of players, absolutely, but somehow for Pep as well. It's hit me all at once - how long Pep's been in charge of City, how lucky we've been to have him this long, how much of my life he's been in Manchester for, how much my life has changed during his tenure with this group of stars, how many times he's fought back and changed his style to keep City dominant and a step ahead of the chasing pack, how many times he's shown that he can learn from his (very few) mistakes in order to keep growing as a manager and leader of men.

But now we're here, potentially staring at the end of it all. Another team selection this season where I just feel crushed as soon as it gets published. Not only by the inadequate, ageing personnel, but by the ominous feeling that Pep can't see the wood for the trees anymore. He's confused me dozens of times while he's been in charge at City, but he's always brought me round to his way of thinking after a time. There's always a moment, either a minute later or a few weeks later, when everything clicks and I realise that Pep has educated me again. He's come up with a new set-up that will sweep all before him and he's shown me a new way of seeing and visualising football. But it's been months now since I've felt that sudden *click* - and this strange persistence with Bernardo, Kovacic, De Bruyne, and Gundogan shows no signs of stopping. After today, I'm honestly heartbroken because we've been here before with Pellegrini, Mancini, Hughes, etc. where, as a fan, you start seeing exactly where the problem is but you don't feel, deep in your heart, that the man in charge has spotted it too.

With Pellegrini, we developed an unbelievably soft centre about 18 months before he was sacked and he did nothing to toughen it up in all that time. With Mancini our attacks were getting narrower and narrower and teams knew they just had to sit tight and force us into tight spaces to frustrate us. With Hughes our expansive style left gaping holes at the back but he presumed Wayne Bridge/Sylvinho would cope just fine with being completely abandoned by their wingers. Every week you'd turn up hoping that they'd spotted the problem and had done something in the week to combat it. Maybe a tweak to the formation, or maybe dropping a couple of players who hadn't been pulling their weight. But they just... didn't. Whenever structural issues have appeared in Pep's teams, he's always figured out a route forward. He has made necessary tweaks, he has changed formations, and he has dropped or sold certain players. But since before Christmas he's just... stopped doing those things. The intensity, pace, and discipline have vanished from our game, but he's seemingly made no attempt to bring them back. Right now, I just don't see where that next forward move is going to come from and it's honestly breaking my heart that this might well be the thing that brings about his end.

I desperately want Pep to turn this around. I love him so much and he's earned the right to get things right again. But it's getting to the point where, even now, I honestly don't know if Kovacic, Bernardo, and Gundogan will be sold (or loaned out) at all this summer. None of them are out of contract and Pep seemingly still trusts them all to start in big games, so why would he? For years now I've always been happy with the feeling that Pep knows best. But I just... don't feel that right now, and truthfully I haven't felt it for months. The decisions he's making from game to game are baffling, his management of games from moment to moment is depressing, the calls he's made in the transfer market in very recent years have been unusual to say the least, and I honestly don't think I could name a player who has improved under his tutelage since we won the treble. If you were to ask me now, hand on heart, how I think the last two years of Pep's contract are going to go, I really don't think I could call it. Usually I'd be confident of us finishing 2nd/3rd in 2026 and then winning one last title in 2027 before he heads off into the sunset, but I just... don't trust him to do what's best for the team right now.

I'll repeat what I said before the game. Pep's told De Bruyne this week that he'll no longer be required in six weeks but we've started him in an Old Trafford derby; Grealish scored and got MOTM in midweek but he was rewarded with a place on the bench today; O'Reilly couldn't get a look-in 10 days ago and now he's starting at LB in a Manchester derby; Khusanov has been in basically every first XI since he signed but has randomly been dropped out of nowhere; we spent £50m on Gonzalez eight weeks ago and he's been dropped already for no obvious reason; Kovacic missed the last few games but was suddenly thrown back in today; McAtee was told to stay at City in January but has played about 20 minutes of football since then; Savinho is our most creative winger this season but has suddenly been left out of games he'd suit; Pep's acknowledged that Foden's not at the races this season but has started him in a massive game again; we couldn't promise Gundogan a two-year deal in 2023 but here we are two years later playing him three times in a week when he's just shy of his 35th birthday.

None of it makes sense and I just cannot see what Pep is trying to do anymore. I haven't been able to see what he's trying to do for months now. There's part of me imagining that, on the first day of next season, Bernardo, Gundogan, and Kovacic will all be playing for different teams and he'll still try to name them in the starting line-up. Given what he's achieved with us and given the unbelievable heights he's taken us to, he deserves unending goodwill and a full season with a new squad to bring this back around. But if City were to approach Simone Inzaghi this summer and offer him £300m to build a new team, I would completely understand and I would feel like it was the right decision. And that thought honestly breaks my heart because Pep is my favourite City manager of all time and he's helped me understand and look at football in ways I never thought would be possible. Him leaving Manchester without me ever getting to shake his hand and say thank you for everything he's given us since 2016 would upset me so much. But I just don't see where this goes unless he concedes to Viana and Txiki in the summer and allows his old boys to be forcibly removed from his grasp. I cannot imagine City without Pep but it feels closer than it ever has, and fucking hell that hurts.
I'd like to see a new assistant with Pep first before the curtains are finally drawn on his City career.
New blood, new ideas might be just the wake up call he needs
 
I'd like to see a new assistant with Pep first before the curtains are finally drawn on his City career.
New blood, new ideas might be just the wake up call he needs
Man City predicted lineup vs Tottenham - Carabao Cup final
 
Agree, come September with Rodri,Haaland,maybe Ake/Stones/Akanji/ back ,Foden rejuvenated, January signings more acclimatised and further upgrades we will hopefully be a force again.
We should be able to absorb one mediocre season for injuries/off field battles/Pep's personal issues etc. If we are here again next season we will REALLY have something to moan about !
Ake and Stones are injured more than they are available. Relying on them for next season and believing they can play enough games for us is fanciful. January signings aren't getting a sniff other than Marmoush, they should be given the chance to acclimatise as you say, but they aren't. This won't be one bad season and back to normal next season. There will be a lot of change, for the same reason you say the January lot need to get used to it, so will any summer signings. I am very confident in saying next year will be a top 4 scramble as well. If it is as bad as this one will remain to be seen.
 
It’s not possible to take 5 points from 2 games.

I’m still right and easty is still wrong. Please don’t encourage any further silliness.
Sorry only one person being silly here. Like I said both are right it’s dependant on the view. City had 2 games against united where 6 points were available, got 1. 5 points lost, because of the results.United got 4 points from the available 6 but literally took 5 possible points available to City. Like I said it how you want to read it and perceive the statement. Neither of you are wrong in your views, they both are valid depending on points lost and points won.
 
Past their best is being generous they were quite simply fucking awful.
Genuine question is it possible peps heard the result of the 115 and knows a huge points deduction is on the way ?
It’s the only reason I can think of why he played the ineffective oap’s
Probably bollox
genuine question why would that make any difference either way as to who we play, not trying to be difficult, i genuinely dont see the logic
 
We still have Khusanov, Reis and Echeverri to come into the squad plus injured players like Stones, Akanji, Ake, Rodri and Bobb. Savinho is is his first season at City. Marnoush has played less than 10 games for us. Both will improve. We may only need 1-2 players in the Summer.
Hopefully you are right but there are a lot of big ifs and some major doubts in that list of players.

Stones and Ake - both great players - world class in Stones case - HOWEVER - we cannt rely on either of these players - they are both so injury prone - maybe we can afford to have one very injury prone player in the squad but not two.

Bobb while I agree he looks a very good prospect he has extremely limited time in the first team (granted he would have had way more by now probably if he hadnt had that injury) - but we have seen talented players before and there is no gurantee he will make the step up.

Savihno needs to improve...lots of nice tricks and flicks but his finishing is very poor and there is little end product -but again I partially agree with you.

Marmoush is a strange one - good player no doubt but where does he fit in...he aint playing instead of Haaland and he aint a number 10 to play behind him..therefore it lokos like his best position is also outwide coming in from the left....he doesnt look like he can play the lone striker role either.

If we look at what we are losing none of them mentioned are ready to step up to anywhere near the standard of KDB, Bernardo, Gundo and Im not even talking about those players in their prime - none of those above have the required experience for a start, We need at least two central midfielders and we also need a left back and a right back....Rico Lewis aint good enough and Khusonov is a centre half

Out: KDB, Walker, Gundo, Grealish and one of Ake or Stones
Possibly out Bernardo as well

Thats a lot of talent and creativity and goals to replace right there
 
Hopefully you are right but there are a lot of big ifs and some major doubts in that list of players.

Stones and Ake - both great players - world class in Stones case - HOWEVER - we cannt rely on either of these players - they are both so injury prone - maybe we can afford to have one very injury prone player in the squad but not two.

Bobb while I agree he looks a very good prospect he has extremely limited time in the first team (granted he would have had way more by now probably if he hadnt had that injury) - but we have seen talented players before and there is no gurantee he will make the step up.

Savihno needs to improve...lots of nice tricks and flicks but his finishing is very poor and there is little end product -but again I partially agree with you.

Marmoush is a strange one - good player no doubt but where does he fit in...he aint playing instead of Haaland and he aint a number 10 to play behind him..therefore it lokos like his best position is also outwide coming in from the left....he doesnt look like he can play the lone striker role either.

If we look at what we are losing none of them mentioned are ready to step up to anywhere near the standard of KDB, Bernardo, Gundo and Im not even talking about those players in their prime - none of those above have the required experience for a start, We need at least two central midfielders and we also need a left back and a right back....Rico Lewis aint good enough and Khusonov is a centre half

Out: KDB, Walker, Gundo, Grealish and one of Ake or Stones
Possibly out Bernardo as well

Thats a lot of talent and creativity and goals to replace right there

personally I would like for us to keep Grealish and Ake plus Stones and Bernardo will be in their final year so will get nothing for them
 
Sorry only one person being silly here. Like I said both are right it’s dependant on the view. City had 2 games against united where 6 points were available, got 1. 5 points lost, because of the results.United got 4 points from the available 6 but literally took 5 possible points available to City. Like I said it how you want to read it and perceive the statement. Neither of you are wrong in your views, they both are valid depending on points lost and points won.
I was on here yesterday and people were arguing about this. No idea why as it was obvious both viewpoints are correct. It's just maybe the wording. God knows what they'll make of the '6 pointer'....
 
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We still have Khusanov, Reis and Echeverri to come into the squad plus injured players like Stones, Akanji, Ake, Rodri and Bobb. Savinho is is his first season at City. Marnoush has played less than 10 games for us. Both will improve. We may only need 1-2 players in the Summer.
Not sure Stones has any fitness left in him
 
personally I would like for us to keep Grealish and Ake plus Stones and Bernardo will be in their final year so will get nothing for them
Id love to keep Stones and Ake...but what is the point....how much time are they going to spend on the pitch in reality....I think I saw a stat that Stones has played less game time that Luke fucking Shaw!!. If he aint on the pitch he isnt any use...Pep said so much (not directly abut Stones) a few weeks back
Bernardo I partially agree with but Im not sure he wants to be here and if thats the case we are better off parting ways
grealish has been shit for at least 12 months and one half decent season in all the time he has been here...he adds very little the team
 
Bernardo is on 300k a week . Nobody is buying him .
They will all leave for free in the next 2 years like KDB now. Don’t see us selling anyone beside Grealish and Nunes and possibly Rico Lewis. Just hoping they won’t play a big role next season and we concentrate on the new signings
 
Id love to keep Stones and Ake...but what is the point....how much time are they going to spend on the pitch in reality....I think I saw a stat that Stones has played less game time that Luke fucking Shaw!!. If he aint on the pitch he isnt any use...Pep said so much (not directly abut Stones) a few weeks back
Bernardo I partially agree with but Im not sure he wants to be here and if thats the case we are better off parting ways
grealish has been shit for at least 12 months and one half decent season in all the time he has been here...he adds very little the team

but nobody will get them unless its a loan until contract expires. which is end of next season.

And with Stones/Shaw, you mean in total? as Shaw has only played 3 games or something daft since the euros last year
 

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