United (a) post-match thread

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I am very upset that the RAGS have the upmanship this season but the view of some fans saddens me more.

This season was always going to be harder with a number of reasons:

Key players ageing losing agility and pace.
After a prize winning season the expectations on the team creates a ton of pressure (yes I know they are pro's and should be able to handle that)
Too many injuries with unsuitable cover.
Asking players to play in unusual positions.
For me a massive one was losing Vinny. Captain Fantastic had more impact that some people realise, on and more importantly, off the pitch. He was the staple that binded the team. Losing him was massive and has impacted the whole feel of the team and possibly the club.

I don't like the "Pep doesn't get derbies" etc. etc. Just look at his reaction on the side of the pitch. He kicks every ball and feels the pain of losing as much as the fans.

Yes, our season is below par but we can still compete in the Chumps League and the FA Cup.

They don't give trophies for derbies so what trophies will the Rags win this season?

Chins up blues, we love our club!! Never give up and in Pep, believe!!!
 
alexmcity said:
Why play Zinch and not Mendy? Because we need to prepare Zinch for Real as well as possible, Mendy isn't available for the 2nd leg.

Why play Cancelo? We've promised him things when he signed, he isn't going to make it unless he plays in important games, and not only against rubbish teams. We may need him at some point in the CL, if Walker is unavailable for some reason.

Why play Aguero over Jesus? Because he is Aguero and because he is not likely to start against Madrid, that is, to keep him happy.

Why start Sterling over Jesus? Because we need Sterling to regain form.

Why start Foden over Mahrez? Because Foden deserves a start in a big game after his performance in the cup final.

Why not start Mahrez over Bernardo? Because Bernie is generally superb at Manure's ground, scored in the last games there.

Ultimately, we lost because Eddie had a shocker, not because the selection was rubbish. The first goal helped the rags a lot, they were content to sit deep which made it difficult for us.
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I hope to God he’s not seriously considering playing Zinchenko against Madrid. Madrid are a pretty average side these days but stick Bale or anyone with pace against him and suddenly they could easily be back in it. He won’t be daft enough to start him I’m sure the Derby debacle will have finally shown him what was obvious beforehand.
 
Fernster said:
I am very upset that the RAGS have the upmanship this season but the view of some fans saddens me more.

This season was always going to be harder with a number of reasons:

Key players ageing losing agility and pace.
After a prize winning season the expectations on the team creates a ton of pressure (yes I know they are pro's and should be able to handle that)
Too many injuries with unsuitable cover.
Asking players to play in unusual positions.
For me a massive one was losing Vinny. Captain Fantastic had more impact that some people realise, on and more importantly, off the pitch. He was the staple that binded the team. Losing him was massive and has impacted the whole feel of the team and possibly the club.

I don't like the "Pep doesn't get derbies" etc. etc. Just look at his reaction on the side of the pitch. He kicks every ball and feels the pain of losing as much as the fans.

Yes, our season is below par but we can still compete in the Chumps League and the FA Cup.

They don't give trophies for derbies so what trophies will the Rags win this season?

Chins up blues, we love our club!! Never give up and in Pep, believe!!!
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Again, us being better than united doesn’t make losing a derby ok, if anything it makes it worse that a far inferior side has beaten us 3 times. You can list all of our problems but Uniteds are 100 times worse. They managed to get up for the Derby’s though. Not saying I’d swap positions with them, I just wouldn’t select a strange team most times we played them which jeopardises a result.
 
Craig said:
I hope to God he’s not seriously considering playing Zinchenko against Madrid. Madrid are a pretty average side these days but stick Bale or anyone with pace against him and suddenly they could easily be back in it. He won’t be daft enough to start him I’m sure the Derby debacle will have finally shown him what was obvious beforehand.
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The other option is Cancelo who has played at LB for us about 130 minutes...Maybe Cancelo would be the better option but it's difficult to say. Add to that we will rely on Otamendi and Dinho at CB and I'd be happy if we progressed by losing 1:0. It would be more like 2:2 and very nervous last 10 minutes.
 
Craig said:
I hope to God he’s not seriously considering playing Zinchenko against Madrid. Madrid are a pretty average side these days but stick Bale or anyone with pace against him and suddenly they could easily be back in it. He won’t be daft enough to start him I’m sure the Derby debacle will have finally shown him what was obvious beforehand.
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Is Zinchenko shit now? I don't remember anyone saying this last season when he was our first choice left back and we won the domestic treble?
 
alexmcity said:
Losing form in the league after two incredible seasons and winning everything in England is normal, especially if you count the severe injury crisis at CB and also the fact that legends like Silva, Aguero and Fernandinho are aging. Despite all this we can still win a cup treble this season which has never been done by any English team before. After it became obvious we couldn't defend the title, whether we finish 10, 15 or 25 pts behind the dippers doesn't really matter. We need to give playing time in the league to squad players and see how they perform and prepare them for important games. It's a squad game, especially for clubs wanting to win multiple trophies.

Pep is a winner, more than his critics in this thread combined, this is why he has won more trophies than any other active manager now. He is the last man who would tolerate half-arsed performances. That many fans question him on this count is baffling.
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Whilst agreeing with your first few sentences, and the need for squad rotation, I’d feel a whole lot happier if derbies weren’t relegated to bottom priority. Now, although I actually quite like Cancelo and love Foden, both are well down Pep’s favourite list. No way on earth would he have started them both in a game he ranked even moderately important.

Continuing the squad theme, now the League’s gone, why don’t we see a lot more of Foden and Garcia? At least there’d be a feeling we are doing something for the future instead of shuffling deck chairs and pandering to pet players.

Nobody can deny Pep’s a winner but this season has exposed lots of cracks and no little disconnect.
 
Keeper! said:
#Ultimately, we lost because Eddie had a shocker, not because the selection was rubbish. The first goal helped the rags a lot, they were content to sit deep which made it difficult for us."

We lost the game because we were appalling, had a bad attitude and were general "not up' for the game, in my book unacceptable, however many trophies we have won over the last few years.

And with the game a derby against hated opponents , made it even worse.
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Nah, both goals were blatant mistakes. We wouldn't have lost the game with a normal goalkeeping performance
 
There’s a true saying in life you never really appreciate what you have got until you lose it.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you
VINCENT KOMPANY how much have we missed our skipper
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Is Zinchenko shit now? I don't remember anyone saying this last season when he was our first choice left back and we won the domestic treble?
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Credit to the lad for filling in out of position and for his positive attitude. Unfortunately, though, he’s not having a good season this time round.

His performance v rags was one of the worst full back displays I can remember.
 
Whymewhynot said:
Again, us being better than united doesn’t make losing a derby ok, if anything it makes it worse that a far inferior side has beaten us 3 times. You can list all of our problems but Uniteds are 100 times worse. They managed to get up for the Derby’s though. Not saying I’d swap positions with them, I just wouldn’t select a strange team most times we played them which jeopardises a result.
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Absolutely bang on
 
sir baconface said:
Credit to the lad for filling in out of position and for his positive attitude. Unfortunately, though, he’s not having a good season this time round.

His performance v rags was one of the worst full back displays I can remember.
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Angelino's was as bad if not worse in the home derby. David Brightwell playing left back at the shit tip was the worst ever. I was in the home bit suffering like fuck for that one.
 
Pep is being outfoxed in these games. Unfortunately it happened many ties this season by lesser teams. He would be livid if we put out a half arsed performance like this vs Real Madrid ad we go out of CL next week because of it.

Still cant believe what Ederson was doing all match, he was sulking even before the first goal arguing with defenders and he angrily made some long balls from the back to absolutely nowhere near to City player even Pep looked back at him that what is he doing this is before his first mistake...

We have to stop this madness letting quick attacker run at our defenders 1 vs 1. This can cost us the CL again.We need to support the defence from midfield but you wont be able to do that with a slow Rodri/Gundo duo they never will sprint back to help out as they are too slow for that.
 
Whymewhynot said:
Again, us being better than united doesn’t make losing a derby ok, if anything it makes it worse that a far inferior side has beaten us 3 times. You can list all of our problems but Uniteds are 100 times worse. They managed to get up for the Derby’s though. Not saying I’d swap positions with them, I just wouldn’t select a strange team most times we played them which jeopardises a result.
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There are reasons why Pep selected these players. He proritises the cups now and gives squad members the chance to prove themselves in a really big game while reasonably managing the fitness of the players expected to start in the CL. Nobody could have seen in advance that Ederson would have a stinker. It's not that it's ok to lose a derby but that shit happens. It's not like Pep is indifferent to losses or to the possibility of losing three times from any manager, let alone Ole of all managers. It's that we have much more important games than Manure, even Sheff W away was more important in the grand scheme of things.
 
Indaparkside said:
There’s a true saying in life you never really appreciate what you have got until you lose it.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you
VINCENT KOMPANY how much have we missed our skipper
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Same with Pep Guardiola.

He will be properly appreciated by some fans only after he leaves. Before that they will try to convince themselves it won't be such a big loss because he doesn't get the fans, the derby, plays Rodri and Gundogan, tolerates half-arsed performances, etc.
 
alexmcity said:
Nobody deserved Ederson's mistakes, why gloss over them as if such things don't decide games?
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Players makes mistakes that's football. Keepers mistakes are obviously more highlighted because they more than likely lead to goals. The result isn't just down to Ederson. Where was the marking for the free kick that led to the first goal to get his shot away? Zinchenko, Rodri, Gundogan, Bernardo ect all had shockers on Sunday. The result was down to the performance. If we turned up without a half hearted attitude it wouldn't of happened.
 
SWPISHOME said:
Players makes mistakes that's football. Keepers mistakes are obviously more highlighted because they more than likely lead to goals. The result isn't just down to Ederson. Where was the marking for the free kick that led to the first goal to get his shot away? Zinchenko, Rodri, Gundogan, Bernardo ect all had shockers on Sunday. The result was down to the performance. If we turned up without a half hearted attitude it wouldn't of happened.
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Of course, individual mistakes decide the outcome of games, especially really bad mistakes. It's silly to argue otherwise. We weren't great but it's normal as we made 6 changes to the team that won at Bernabeu and 5 changes to the team that won 3:1 in January.

Imagine that De Gea had made such mistakes and we had won. We'd be praising Pep now.
 
Damanino said:
Pep is being outfoxed in these games. Unfortunately it happened many ties this season by lesser teams. He would be livid if we put out a half arsed performance like this vs Real Madrid ad we go out of CL next week because of it.

Still cant believe what Ederson was doing all match, he was sulking even before the first goal arguing with defenders and he angrily made some long balls from the back to absolutely nowhere near to City player even Pep looked back at him that what is he doing this is before his first mistake...

We have to stop this madness letting quick attacker run at our defenders 1 vs 1. This can cost us the CL again.We need to support the defence from midfield but you wont be able to do that with a slow Rodri/Gundo duo they never will sprint back to help out as they are too slow for that.
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Unfortunately with the way we play our defenders will always have to defend 1 v 1 because of the numbers we commit forward.
 
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